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I have a question about water cooling a PC. I know all the parts to it and know want i need to buy and all that stuff. But i have never build a PC with water cooling parts so i'm afraid i might mess up or not put something on tight enough. So what i'm wondering is should i get insurance so if it leaks i will be covered? It will cost much more i understand that but price does not matter if i build an extremely expensive computer and it gets destroyed because i had no experience building one before.
 
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so funny, when ppl always try to convince others that air cooling is "enough/better/cheaper".
we're here to give help and recommendations (but not really to tell someone what or what not to buy, even if it doesnt make "sense" to "us" (unless "you're" paying for it),as the "perfect" part, might not be the perfect one for everyone..

e.g who would tell their 5y old daughter, that all reviews show the blue/silver/black bike is cheaper than the pink one,
while doing the same job?
no, you dont. you buy the pink one, and she's happy.

im now using my 5th LC system (air cooled in between), have yet to see one leaking/failing, which i cant say for the fans from some air coolers i had.
and running a passive system (custom loop/pump with a zalman...

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I didn't even know that existed. i would get it myself because paying what like 100 bucks? Is much better than paying 1000+ for a rebuild. Thats just me tho.

 
Insurance is a bad bet that you do not want to win.
What will be in your build that you think needs to be water cooled?

My canned rant on liquid cooling:
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You buy a liquid cooler to be able to extract an extra multiplier or two out of your OC.
How much do you really need?
I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler like a Noctua or phanteks can do the job just as well.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
google "H100 leak"
-----------------------end of rant--------------------------

Your pc will be quieter, more reliable, and will be cooled equally well with a decent air cooler.

 

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Couldn't of said it better. That was pure poetry.

 

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I understand where your coming from, water cooling is a risky bet but if your going to be putting your PC to the limit (which i will be doing) it is better to have water cooling so you dont destroy your parts because heat will break it. Second animal fur, i'm an animal person i love animals and there fur gets in to the fans and clogs them so cold air cant get in and hot air cant leave. i know you still have to clean a water cooling system but it is less of a hassle then cleaning like 6 or 7 fans. plus a water cooled Cpu and Gpu gets 10 times colder then an air cooling Pc with 6 or 7 fans. So sorry but i have to disagree with most of what your saying.
 

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10 times eh? You live in the arctic?

 

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10 times, fine my mistake. but you have to think about it. I might not be the best at computers but i still know things about them. But i look at water cooling like a car. might be a bad example but its the only one i have. When you use your car oil circulates throughout it so it does not over heat. If it were to use air cooling then it would overheat and damage or destroy the engine. I know cars generate a lot more heat then computers but that's how i look at things.
 

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Well, have you actually looked at air cooling vs water cooling or are you just assuming that air cooling is better because of marketing? It is better but it is noisier, and will not last as long as a good fan.

 
What specs are you even planning?
If you look at PC watercooling, youll notice that there is only a very marginal performance over air.
Also, what insurance are you even looking at? Replacement plans and RMAs dont cover end user damage (your loop leaking)
 

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That is an answer i wanted to hear. I asked about Insurance for water cooling not a debate about water vs air. I wanted to know if the loop leaking would be covered or not. so now that i know that i will start looking at different ideas. ...How good is liquid nitrogen cooling? Jk that would cost a hell of a lot more then my actual PC its self.

And my build is this
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/yLpd6X

Sorry its a link i dont want to type out all 12 or so parts.
 

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That is an answer i wanted to hear. I asked about Insurance for water cooling not a debate about water vs air. I wanted to know if the loop leaking would be covered or not. so now that i know that i will start looking at different ideas. ...How good is liquid nitrogen cooling? Jk that would cost a hell of a lot more then my actual PC its self.

And my build is this
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/yLpd6X

Sorry its a link i dont want to type out all 12 or so parts.
 

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Ya i have looked at them. But a friend of mine has an amazing PC which is water cooled so i wanted to know if it was worth it. Plus they look cool as shit with the different colored solutions and led lighted fan
 
That link is exactly what we look for, or you can paste the BB code.

I would recommend taking the potential money invested into a water cooling loop and get a big air cooler like an NH-D14 or PH-TC14PE, and throw the rest of the money at an SSD or a 1080.
I would also recommend spending less on RAM or get a PSU like the EVGA P2 series.


IMO, water cooling is mostly for aesthetics, and that is simply not worth it.
Get an NZXT HUE+ and call it good.
 

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Thanks. that list is just an outline of what i want to build not the actual finished project. I will tweak it a bit more to fit in my budget and to accept any part suggestions from other people.
 
I say insurance is a bad bet because whoever issues the insurance is planning on taking in more money than they pay out.

I see your list, and I have some suggestions:

1. Love the case. Use it as intended. The front 200mm intake fan will supply all of the cooling air you need, and do it at a lower noise level when running at 800rpm. You can optionally use a second 200mm fan. The key to keeping your case clean is to set up a positive pressure airflow.
That is one where all the intake air comes from one source and is filtered.
It is not clear to me if the case comes with a washable front intake filter or not.
Regardless, you can provide your own.
Whatever is drawn in will exit somewhere; your case has plenty of exit openings. Using a single 120mm exhaust for airflow directional control is about right. Using too much will draw in unfiltered air form other openings.

2. I7-6700k can be overclocked. How high you can oc will be determined by the quality of your particular chip.
As of 10/11/2016
What percent can get an overclock at a somewhat sane 1.40v Vcore.

I7-6700K
4.9 3%
4.8 19%
4.7 61%
4.6 95%

It is the Vcore you can tolerate that drives up the temperature. You will run out of safe vcore before you run into thermal limits if you have a decent air cooler.
For example, My well binned I5-6600K runs at 4.8 using a noctua NH-U12s and in a case with a undervolted 180mm fan as the only intake.
I might suggest a Noctua NH-U14s for the best possible cooling. The s variants are offset to ckear graphics card backplates and to clear tall ram heat spreaders. It comes with good paste.

3. Do you really need 64gb of ram? Normally a 2 x 8gb kit will do the job. Skylake is dual channel regardless if you populate 4 slots.

4. I will never again build without a ssd for the "C" drive. It makes everything you do much quicker.
120gb is minimum, it will hold the os and a handful of games. If you can go 240gb, or 500gb you may never need a hard drive.

I would defer on the hard drive unless you need to store large files such as video's.
It is easy to add a hard drive later.
Samsung EVO is a good choice for performance and reliability.

5. What will be your gaming resolution?
If you are considering 1440P, you might want to use a GTX1080.

Aesthetics is a personal thing.
Buy whatever pleases you.

Worth is something only YOU can determine.



 

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so funny, when ppl always try to convince others that air cooling is "enough/better/cheaper".
we're here to give help and recommendations (but not really to tell someone what or what not to buy, even if it doesnt make "sense" to "us" (unless "you're" paying for it),as the "perfect" part, might not be the perfect one for everyone..

e.g who would tell their 5y old daughter, that all reviews show the blue/silver/black bike is cheaper than the pink one,
while doing the same job?
no, you dont. you buy the pink one, and she's happy.

im now using my 5th LC system (air cooled in between), have yet to see one leaking/failing, which i cant say for the fans from some air coolers i had.
and running a passive system (custom loop/pump with a zalman reserator) is absolutely making ZERO fan noise,
does NOT affect any temps negatively (over air cooler), nor does it require frequent fan/rad cleaning and the 2y cycle to swap the water isnt really a big deal, as cleaning the case every 6-12m is more work.

the main reason for me (to use LC) is that i can dump the heat outside the case, and even my temporary solution (H60) is pretty decent at cooling (3770k)
and if the rad isnt mounted on the top of the case, the top fans should remove most gpu/other hardware heat produced, so cpu temps wont be affected much.



@kol272
taking time to do a proper setup, is worth more than insurance.
(one reason why i laugh at those "we guarantee your satisfaction, a 100%, or money back.."
if your product is so good, and its a 100% that i'm going to be satisfied, why would you need a money back policy??)

you can go with something like the corsair H series, as they offer 5y coverage of all parts that get damaged if it leaks/fails (can anyone show me an air cooler that comes with that kind warranty??),
but your chance of pump failure is pretty high (as with most AIO solutions based on Asetek patent/design).

the arctic cooler would be another option for AIO (not based on aistek and TH recommended, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arctic-cooling-cpu-liquid-freezer-240-closed-loop,4735.html)
but i would look into AIO/CL setups from EK.

maybe have a shop put the rig together (if custom loop) so they cover it against defects?

but i would not yet get a computer.
Ryzen is as fast as intel, but will be much cheaper...
 
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