Need Help Upgrading 8350 rx480

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Hello fellow PC enthusiasts! I'm new to building computers, and am seeking guidance. Last week I purchased a:
CyberPowerPc
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-desktop-amd-fx-black-edition-series-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-480-1tb-hard-drive-black/5615010.p?skuId=5615010
(I'm feeling preyty jipped' right now being they dropped the price again.)

I'm wanting to upgrade. I play World of Warcraft and I can not get 60fps+ on ultra... I heard the game is a CPU hog. I have the 8350 on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 mobo. If i get an Intel CPU do i need a whole new mother board and ram, or could I just get a better graphics card say the nVIDIA GTX 1070, and keep my current mobo&cpu. Idk what's trash really and whats good. Please please lead me in the right direction to having a top end computer.
 
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Sorry for the wait, this might be too late already but if it's not...

keep in mind, putting ddr3 RAM in a DDR3L or DDR4 motherboard can break the motherboard or trying to fit suppose a LGA 1150 CPU into a LGA 1151 socket will break the CPU.

If you want a budget build with the LGA1151 socket which can take in 6th gen I3s, I5s, or I7s, pick up a gigabyte or MSI motherboard for under $100 with a I3-6100, you can also pick up 8gb of DDR4 RAM for around $50 or if you can stretch your budget to $100, go for 16Gb RAM since it will be more than enough for gaming. You can use the LGA 1150 socket which supports DDR3 RAM which means you can reuse your current RAM in...
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FX chips aren't "trash" but they're not high-end. That CPU was released in 2012, and there really isn't a better chip for your board. You can overclock it and extract another 5-15% out of it, but that's not going to completely change your gaming experience.

However, if you move to an Intel CPU, you're probably looking at something like this:

i7 6700K - $350
Z170 motherboard - $100
16GB DDR4 - $75
New copy of Windows (because it's tied to your motherboard) - $100

That's a lot of money to spend chasing 60fps.

Chances are good your CPU is what's responsible for your reduced framerates, but it wouldn't hurt to check. Download GPU-Z and keep an eye on your GPU's utilization when you have dips like that. If it's less than maybe 95% then your CPU is at fault.
 
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I guess I'd like to amend, there are cheaper upgrades, but you're looking at replacing nearly everything. Chances are good you'd want a new power supply too and at that point all you're keeping is the case and GPU. You might as well build a second PC.
 
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New CPU - i5 4590 ($190), Z97 ($90) will only cost you $280 (If that's what you want). WoW is a stupidly optimized game that only runs well with strong single threaded CPUs. Upgrading to a GTX 1070 won't help. Though, do note that the i5 will probably get you play WoW well, but won't give you any meaningful difference in other games that are well optimized.
 
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^ Considering DDR3 and DDR4 cost about the same, and Skylake costs about the same as Haswell, I see little reason not to go with an i5 6500 + 1151 board instead, even if OP needs to throw his old RAM up on eBay. It makes very little sense to buy a socket 1150 board today.
 
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Ugh... Is there a way to switch to an intel supported mobo with an i5 to start that also supports a top end i7, without having to replace everything in my computer lol performance vs budget. Need the right direction. I could do a Skylake they seem close to top tier. Orrrr should i say eff Word of Warcraft keep my cpu and just get a GTX 1070 (if it doesnt bottleneck to much). I dont wanna have to get a new case, motherboard, windows , AND ram unless i can do it <500 ~ <600. I mean I can live with my cpu now it's just I record music too. I need something that can keep up, and honestly i really want intel. lol
 
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&& Honestly my rx480 runs most games on Ultra. It seems a lot of people struggle with World of Warcraft. WOuld getting a GTX 1070 on my 8350 be stupid?
 
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Well yeah I kinda assumed,but is an 1070 on my 8350 overkill/dumb? Was debating on going that route, to get better fps all the way around instead of all that upgrading for one game.
 
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Here are a few potential configs:


CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($190.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $386.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $485.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-21 21:28 EST-0500


CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $492.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-21 21:29 EST-0500


CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $572.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-21 21:30 EST-0500


If you don't overclock, you can scratch off either of the "K" CPU builds, their only advantage is that they can be overclocked. The 6700K build is the fastest, the 6700 build probably has the most value, while the 6500 build is the cheapest while still providing a solid upgrade.
 
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Depends. If your current GPU is below 100% utilization, adding more GPU power won't improve things one bit. I'm sure there are cases where you're GPU limited, but it will depend on the game.
 
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Kudos to you man. Will these builds fit in my case? I'm assuming yes... && I hate how I have to buy a new windows... Why why. Really helpful though. What would you do in my situation?
 
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Open GPU-Z while gaming, and take a look at your GPU percent utilization. Ideally it should be 95-100%. Less, and your CPU is what's holding your framerates back in that instance.

Yes, those builds will fit in your case, but I can't honestly say what I would do. You can probably get part of the value of the new parts back by selling your FX + board + RAM and noting that there's a copy of Windows registered to that board, but I might be tempted to just live with small dips in framerate. The FX is not a terrible CPU, it performs about as it's priced, the bigger issue (as you're seeing) is that there is no easy upgrade path for it, and it's also very power hungry for the performance it has.
 
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where do I find the % percentage
 
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and honestly 572$ doesn't seem to bad too me. I'd also probably keep my spare parts. Computer's have peeked my interest. I'd like to have enough spare parts to just build a whole cpu and make some profit lol.
 
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The 4790K is a fine CPU but it's for the older and discontinued socket 1150. It costs about the same and performs about the same (a hair less) than a 6700K, draws a hair more power, but more importantly it's in a socket that won't be receiving any new motherboards or CPUs, and existing supply is already drying up. Unless you can get a screaming deal on it, socket 1150 doesn't make sense in 2016.
 
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Is this not what you see in the sensors tab?
 
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