Help Overclocking my I5-6600K

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Hey guys, just recently finished a build and wanted to overclock my CPU. I feel that it needs overclocked because I have been having some pretty constant framedrops in BF1 and by monitoring my CPU usage I have narrowed it down to that being the problem. The usage Is constantly in the 80's to 90's and usually hits 100% mainly while playing conquest. I also have a good graphics card (GTX 1070) and am only playing at 1080p currently but plan on upgrading to 1440p. I have a water cooler, the Enermax Liqmax II 240, so I should be capable of getting a good overclock. I did a good bit of research but the BIOS is a little overwhelming. I am so confused on whether to change the BCLK or the Ratio as they both seem to do different things. I also have heard bad things about changing the voltage, everytime I hover my mouse over the voltage setting I get freaked out.... The BIOS has a "EZ" overclock feature which does it for you but I dont want it raising my voltage really high and personally I would rather be the one in control of the overclocking. Anyways any help would be much appreciated, just need to know where to start. Thanks!

Specs:

I5-6600K
Enermax Liqmax II 240 Liquid CPU Cooler
Asus Z170-E Motherboard
Asus Strix GTX 1070
Geil DDR4-3000 RAM - 8Gbs
EVGA 700W PSU
 
1. The CLC will not get you as good cooling as you might with a decent air cooler. The Noctua NH-D15 beats it by 2.2C under load , and in doing so it's about 10 times louder

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6404/enermax-liqtech-240-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

2, I am not that familiar with BF1.... do some research to see if it is CPU or GPU limited. I find youtube reviews particular annoying (drop the music please, Ya not Tarantino !)... but seeing 80 - 100 fps here

ASUS ROG GTX 1070 + i5 6600k DX12 Benchmarks | Ultra Graphics | 1080p 144hz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHSJUzoq93w

3. Suggest using GeForce experience to select game settings
http://www.geforce.com/geforce-experience

4. For educating yaself about overclocking
http://www.overclock.net/t/1570313/skylake-overclocking-guide-with-statistics
 

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Have same motherboard as you, just did an overclock on my 6600k to 4.6 ghz with voltage set to adaptive 1.215 (yes i know, insane) where the LLC is set to auto (default); real time voltages range from a max of either 1.22 to 1.24. When I had the voltage on manual mode it was jumping all over the place way past what I was setting it to be. If you're also seeing this, I suggest change it to adaptive and set the max voltage what you want it to be, obviously LLC will allow more core voltage into the CPU where it was limited to 0.025 above the set voltage in adaptive mode. But in manual mode it did not seem to have a limit. Also found that CPU-Z didn't give me as accurate of a voltage reading as HWMonitor. I believe 1.35 is max recommended voltage for air cooler, and 1.4-1.45 is max for water cooler, even for everyday use; given your temperatures are safe <75-80C.

Happy overclocking!
 

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Okay great thanks for the info! So in summary I should just keep increasing my clock ratio until my computer starts crashing, then once it does go ahead and set my voltage to adaptive and slowly increase it? What is a good voltage to start with? I already have HW Monitor to monitor the voltage. Thanks for the help!
 

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When you say bump the voltage a bit how much does that mean? And how long should I benchmark with prime95?
 

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Okay I get what your saying, I have definitely been doing a good amount of research on everything before I start tinkering with it. I am planning on overclocking as soon as I get back home later today, what is a good starting point to test out at stock voltage? I am planning on bumping the clock speed to 3.8-4 and seeing how it does with that at stock voltage and running some benchmarks. Then go up from there by barely raising the voltage if its starts crashing and so on. Does this sound like a good way of doing it?
 

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i think you should first decide on a target clock and then play around with voltages, for example if you want your final overclock to be 4600 then estimate a voltage maybe start with 1.275 or something and run tests. This is because you have to run stress tests to check your stability, and it could take forever if you slowly increase clock speed without increasing stock voltage. I wouldnt recommend prime 95, it stresses way beyond and could damage your cpu, I'd recommend a half hour of aida 64 and RealBench first to get a general sense of stability before you go in for your overnight stress tests for your "optimal" overclock values. I find that RealBench was actually the one that was less lenient so maybe start out with that.
 

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Okay that actually sounds much better and quicker than my original plan thanks so much for the input! Im not entirely sure what I want my final overclock to be... The only thing I am looking to gain from doing this is improved gaming performance in CPU intensive games like Battlefield One becuase I can tell my CPU is definitely bottlenecking my GPU. Do you think a 4400 clock would do just fine with this? And if I start at 4400 should I start my voltage at say 1.27 or lower? Also I posted a picture of my BIOS and all of the different voltages to individually set below labeled "CPU Voltage". Which one should I change? These have me really confused can anyone explain what the different voltage types mean/do? I tried looking them up but I cant find anything to my same motherboard model and this has me lost..

CPU Voltage
 


Sync all cores to 44. Save and stress test. You should be able to easily obtain 4.4GHz with the stock voltage. I was able to obtain 4.5GHz on my 6600k with an offset voltage of +0.03v.
 

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Thats awesome thanks for the input, I had no idea these chips overclock so well I am hoping mine does as good as yours!! Should I leave all of my voltage set to Auto as they are? If not which voltage should I set to a fixed amount. And should I leave turbo mode on? Sorry for all of the question, just wanna make sure Im doing it right the first time. I cant wait to get home and start playing around with it this will be my first time truly overclocking :D
 

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At stock clocks, voltages on auto went higher than what I have it now overclocked. I think what you want to do is set a manual amount first, and see how it performs. Then when everything is finalized then you set it to adaptive mode which allows your voltages to drop in proportion to how fast your clocks are running. But in my case, where manual mode was allowing way more voltages than I set, I had to start with adaptive mode. I read somewhere the sweet spot for skylake cpus are at 4.6 ghz (if you can run it at low temperatures) but keep it in mind all every 6600k would require different voltages to achieve this so its really hard to say how much voltage you're going to need. That is why i recommended a voltage that is somewhere on the lower side that is on average needed to achieve 4.6 ghz. I find that it is faster to start out lower than normal and slowly increase, because if it is not stable you'll almost instantly know and you can increase accordingly.
 

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Okay I can see what you mean, I would prefer to have a lower voltage as well if my card can do it so why not start low and increase till I find the best spot for it. Now the last thing Im confused on is which voltage should I change? If you look at my reply above you will see a picture of different types of voltage adjustments allowed on my motherboard. Which one should I change?
 

That may work but take it slow after 4Ghz for sure. Rushing it forcing you to reset bios again and again will just get frustrating. Dont make guesses as hunting and searching for the right ratio to voltage is a pain. Best to keep inching it up till its where your like with a good temp.
 


You'd serve yourself well by following one of the linked OC guides which detail each step, the alternatives, the accepted ranges and any other question ya might have.

In short, there is little to worry about other than selecting an adaptive or offset method of adjusting voltage, and selecting a voltage appropriate for the chosen CPU multiplier. That CLC cooler isn't doing anything for you that a good air cooler won't do so just follow the instructions for air coolers.

1. Download / Install RoG Real Bench to test stability and HWiNFO64 to record temps and voltages

2. Run at default BIOS settings and record core temps and voltages. Do not engage XMP, kleave RAM at default JEDEC settings which will be lower than the speed on the package. If BIOS or Utilities CD has any OC utilities, try them at each setting, starting at the lowest and working your way up to higher multipliers. Record individual core temps and voltages.

3. After setting up as adaptive, try CPU multiplier of 40 .... and copy the voltage from step 2 for stock settings. Run the RoG Real Bench Benchmark which takes about 8 minutes. If you pass lower voltage a notch ... if you don't then up it a notch. How big a notch you try is up to you ... if you at 1.20 in step 2 , then try adding or subtracting 0.025 Goal her is to get the lowest possible voltage at each multiplier w/ CPU remaining stable. If 1.200 fails at a certain multiplier and 1.225 passes, then just pick a number in the middle.... say 1.21 ... depending on whether you pass / fail, "split the difference" in the appropriate direction to you zero in on the right voltage. How small you make the "notch" depends on how much time you want to invest.

4. Once you are stable at the "right" voltage, time to move on to a more intensive test. Set Real Bench to your RAM amount and then run the test for 2 hours. I have had 24 hour stable Prime 95 OCs fail on a 2 hour Prime test. If you fail... boost the voltage a bit. Record all voltage settings and temps.... don't forget ambient air temp.

5. If you pass, now it's time to set XMP and try again ... if you fail boost DRAM voltage... if needed till you get to max rated RAM voltage, and if ya willing, you can go little further (say + 0.05). If this doesn't get you stability drop back down to stock voltage, boost Vcore a notch and then proceed as above.

6. Once ya completed 40 multiplier, move onto 41 and "rinse and repeat"

7. Now many folks won't want to bother with edging their way up from 40 to 45 since most POCs will get there. If that's you...start at a CPU multiplier 1 less than your target as your 1st try and go from there.

8 Finally once you have a stable OC at a particular multiplier and DRAM setting, save a BIOS profile in the Asus Tools section... use something descriptive like:

Stock w/ XMP
4200 XMP
4500 XMP
4800

where 4200 means 4.2 GHz or 4200 MHz.
 

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This is very helpful, I just started tweaking with it. I ran a benchmark using the ROG Real Bench stock but for whatever reason it keeps not responding and crashing. I tried Prime95 as mentioned above and that worked fine so I saved my temps and voltage info and all of that. Then booted into the BIOS, changed my clock ratio to 42. My goal is to reach around 4.5 if possible but I wanted to start at 4.2, test performance and move up from there. I didnt mess with the voltage or anything I just left it all the same other than turning off turbo mode. Now whenever I boot into windows it is running at the same clock speed as before and the overclock isnt going into effect. It also tells me in the BIOS that its running at 3.5Ghz which is still stock speeds. Why is it not changing my clock speed? I know Im saving it when I exit because everything is still set to the same when I boot back into the BIOS. Here are some pics, hopefully they help. BIOS Stress Test
 
1. Prime95 is what we used in "the ole days" and is poorly suited to modern CPUs. Modern instruction sets allow the BIOS to grab more voltage despite whatever voltage settings are input in the BIOS. When used in normal applications, these instantaneous boost add 0.13 volts or more which can put voltage in dangerous territory depending what your settings are. If you let these instruction sets hammer the CPU continuously, rather than intermittently, you can hit voltages and temps which can kill a CPU.

a) As indicated, you can be 24 hour P95 stable and then fail in minutes using a multitasking application based benchmark.

b) Most folks still using it, use the old versions of P95 which does not include AVX and other modern instruction sets

1) If you don't include modern instruction sets, "passing" simply means that you are stable ... but only as long as those instruction sets are not present. Kinda like testing if ya tires are balanced OK with a machine that goes up to 30 mph. OK if you are that proverbial grandma who only drives the local streets to church on Sunday ... but rather useless if you are ever gonna use 3rd gear and drive on a highway.

2) If you use the versions equipped with those instruction sets, P95 is capable of frying your CPU.

In short, P95 is a useful tool... but only if you bought your computer just to run P95 and post OC benchparks on forum leader boards


2. Do not turn off Turbo mode. That's what allows the CPU to go over 3.5
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/turbo-boost/turbo-boost-technology.html


 

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I had no idea, good news though! I turned on Turbo Mode and it overclocked my CPU to 4.2 GHz as I wanted. I didnt touch the voltage or anything just left it as it was. I reinstalled the ROG Benchmark, the one you mentioned earlier, and ran it again on a stress test for an hour. I came back after and it said it passed the stress test. The max temp of one of my cores was 57C while the others were lower-mid 50's. I played a game of battlefield 1 and it ran sooooooo much better than before. Should I continue to up my clock or run a longer stress test? Also my CPU's maximum voltage it reached was 1.244 only on one of the cores.
 
1. You MoBo has been programmed to apply a certain voltage (and other settings) for each CPU mutiplier so that it works on "most MoBos". Now if you want to minimize the number of peeps posting in ya forums saying that "The overclocking on [Insert MoBo manufacturer and model here] steenks", then you will be very conservative in thos settings, applying a number that will work on say 95% of MoBos. That means that your MoBo has a pretty good chance of being stable at a lower ... even a much lower number. It is therefore in yiur best interests to try to get a lower number as lower volts and temps mean higher OCs and less wear and tear on the CPU.

At stock settings (39 Turbo), the MoBo set my voltage to 1.248 ...it dropped to 1.216 at 40 multiplier and 1.152 at 42. Once i started setting manually, it dropped even further.

2. The longest I have run RoG Bench before a failure was 1 hour and 48 minutes..... so I do 2 hours. BTW, if you wanna do a quick test , just run the 4th benchmark (multitasking) ... most of the time that's where it fails ... so if ya voltage too low, you can skip ahead past th e1st 3 tests and this is the one that will **usually** find it. You might need 3 or 4 bumps before ya get stable and at that point ,move on to all 4 tests (8 minutes)and finally the 2 hour test.

3. Don't forget to bring RAM up to XMP speeds after getting CPU stable.
 

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Wait so are you saying that sometimes higher clock speeds will require you to reduce the voltage? And how do you skip ahead to the 4th test? I cant find an option for that. And so with my current speed at 4.2 GHz, do you recommend that I see how low I can get my voltage before it starts crashing? If so, what voltage do you recommend I start at? Thanks again for all of the help!
 
1. No... MoBo manufacturers have programmed their BIOS such that when you make certain changes ... it automatically males various other changes. Now when making these changes they must take into account the "silicon lottery" ... not all CPUs OC as well as others. One CPU might need 1.2 volts to be stable at a certain multiplier, another might need 1.25.... to handle 95% of all CPUs, some might need 1.28

So when using "auto settings", letting the MoBo decide what voltages will be used, oft means you will get 1.28 when you can be stable with significantly less with **your** specific CPU.

2. Ya gonna slap yaself on forehead for this one :). When you open RB, you are presented w/ a screen that has 4 check boxes by default.... if you uncheck the 1st 3, then only the 4th (Heavy Multitasking) will run. That test throws the above 3 tests at the CPU at the same time ... plus runs a movie and who knows what else.

3. As per the above post , my method is split the difference. Id 1.2 failed and 1.22 is stable, then try 1.21 ... keep splitting the difference and if ya fail, split the difference and do higher to 1.215 (half way between 1.21 and 1.22)