My PC shuts down and restarts after opening games.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

So my pc shuts shuts down after just opening a game. It flickers like an old TV from the 70's, and boom, restart. My volt is on 11.47. That is just horrible, and guaranteed a part of the problem. But i thought changing the PSU would work. It did not. Now I'm thinking maybe there is something wrong with my memory. Or maybe a Windows reinstall would do the trick.

https://gyazo.com/e4db9b71bfd3799f13021466301aac6d
As you can see in the picture above^.

I can still watch movies, be on the internet, and basically do everything, EXCEPT play games. Which really sucks for me.

https://gyazo.com/65404cff0a7b61a41e77201ab55b56e6
Here you can see my errors and such. Around the 17:07 mark is the unexpected reboot.
Maybe there is something there, I don't know.

Please help, I am in dire straits right now! Ask away, and I'll try to answer.

Windows 7 64bit
MSI Radeon R9 270X Gaming 2GB GDDR5
AMD FX-8350 8-Core Processor
Crucial DDR3 BallistiX Elite 1866Mhz 16GB
Corsair CX650M, 650W PSU
Hitachi HDS7210 Harddrive
and a brand new Kingston UV400 SSD

Snipergod87 · Nov 23, 2016

I personally do not trust the 12v measurements via software, I have seen them quite wrong before (used a digital multimeter to get a proper readout) When this happens does itr automatically reboot? or is there a blue screen.
What was the old PSU (assuming new is CX650m).
What does the BIOS say for the 12v rails?

Ubrales · Nov 23, 2016

The Corsair CX650M is the weak link in the syste.

For reference you may use this list: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

andy_Man · Nov 23, 2016

It's the PSU, I have a cx500 that does the same thing. It's fine as long as I don't game.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Ubrales :

Erhm, it's brand new. i have changed the old one out, because i though that was the problem. It wasn't.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

andy_Man :

It's brand new, i put in today. This one is the changed out one. This is not the problem

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Snipergod87 :

Yeah, i've heard that before.
It just restarts, no bluescreen.
The old one was a Cooler Master G600

Ubrales · Nov 23, 2016

karlka97 :

I know it is new - I am saying that it is not a highly rated or reliable PSU. Check the list I sent you.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Pich a PSU from Tier 1 or Tier 2 from this list.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Ubrales :

As i had absolutely no problem before this, I'm very sure that this is not the problem. The old one was a Cooler Master G600, and even worse than i have now...

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

The new model CX650M is a perfectly fine PSU. Its not yet on the tier list.

If he was having this problem, dropped in a new PSU, and still has the problem, unless he bought a junk ultra low watt PSU, its not the problem. Continually posting links to the Tier list which hasn't been updated in a while is not a helpful solution.

OP can you check out Windows Event Viewer for us? Sometimes it shows the cause of crashes.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Rogue Leader :

Thank you!
The second Gyazo picture is of the event viewer
https://gyazo.com/65404cff0a7b61a41e77201ab55b56e6

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

karlka97 :

Crashes are usually critical. Can you look for critical, and post the detail on them? if you don't have then can we see the detail on the errors. Not sure this will fix it but worth a shot.

Also have you run memtest86 on your memory?

What motherboard do you have?

Is this a problem you have always had with this build or a new problem?

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Rogue Leader :

karlka97 :

Crashes are usually critical. Can you look for critical, and post the detail on them? if you don't have then can we see the detail on the errors. Not sure this will fix it but worth a shot.

Also have you run memtest86 on your memory?

What motherboard do you have?

Is this a problem you have always had with this build or a new problem?

The MB is Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 (AM3R2)
This is a 3 day old problem, never had this before that.
What is this memtest86? I've tried doing a Memory diagnostic, but i wasn't allowed, i had to use a windows 7 disc to activate it...

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

This is memtest

http://www.memtest86.com/

However I bet the problem may be your motherboard. That board cannot handle an FX-8350. Most likely the VRMs are overheating when trying to game and the system is rebooting. It may have a lasted for a while but has since deteriorated. Have you changed anything about the cooling of the system? What CPU cooler do you have?

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

I have changes the cpu cooling, from stock fan to Cooler Master nepton 280L

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

karlka97 :

When did you make that change?

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Rogue Leader :

3 weeks ago

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

So heres the deal with that.

The stock cooler is downdraft style, which blows air over the VRMs around he processor keeping them cool. Its just about the only way that processor will work with that motherboard.

Using a liquid cooler now means there is no airflow over them, that board has a weak 4+1 setup (you want at least a 6+2 for an 8350) so it was only a matter of time before it started to fail.

You have a few options:
1. You can try placing a fan blowing right over the processor and vrms
2. You can try putting the stock cooler back on.
3. Buy a new motherboard (the best option IMO)

If you are overclocking you absolutely need to disable that, that may fix your issue as well.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Rogue Leader :

Huh, I've been contemplating changing it for a couple months, I guess i have to now.
I don't have any space on the motherboard for one more fan, I have two i want to mount on it, but it doesn't have the pins for it.
No overclocking, I have no idea how to do it...
Putting the old cooler on is an absolute no go, the noise level was staggering.

Thank you, I will have to buy a new one then, any suggestions?
Will this one do, MSI 970A-G43 Plus, Socket-AM3+ ?

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

The best value priced boards that can handle that cpu are the

MSI 970 Gaming http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130790&cm_re=msi_970_Gaming-_-13-130-790-_-Product
Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128651&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-Skimlinks-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3987228&SID=97702X1552850X94e6dd1724a15b0aad157ed88001f0b7

karlka97 :

No, only the 970 Gaming

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Rogue Leader :

Aah, well, that will cost me another ~130 dollars...
This is costing so much more than i wanted it to.
But thank you. Hope that this will be the end of it!

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

Those are the cheapest boards with the VRMs to handle that CPU. Those boards are only about $30 USD more than the one you suggested.

I would re-install windows after setting them up to make sure you have a clean fresh start.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Rogue Leader :

That might be, where you buy your hardware, but where I live (Norway) it is much more pricier.
It's more like 45 dollars. And that's a lot for a student.

Rogue Leader · Nov 23, 2016

karlka97 :

Ah ok sorry about that. If you can you should return that liquid cooler and buy a quieter and cheaper air cooler. That will give you more money towards a motherboard. The liquid cooler isn't helping you at all, especially that youre not overclocking.

This is really the only way to get around your problem.

If you need to save money cleaning up and re-installing the stock cooler may get you by, but it won't last forever.

karlka97 · Nov 23, 2016

Rogue Leader :

Hehe, no problem. I guess I'll have to ask my parents, shouldn't have to do that when you're 19, but, what can you do...
I need this pc in my life, without it I'm hopeless in this world. That sounded really bad.

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