How do people play newer AAA Titles on dual Core CPU's such as the E7500?

DragonBorn1511 · Nov 24, 2016

SO i've been looking around on youtube and other places. And there are loads of youtubers who do benchmarks on older PC's with dual core CPU's. However I was led to beleive games like Fallout 4, GTA V, The Witcher 3 etc. all require at least 4 threads (hence i3's work).

So how do people do it? I've never actually tried myself, do the games work out of the box on a dual core or is there stuff you need to do?

misteriosly · Nov 24, 2016

They do work out of the box, as long as your GPU meets the requirements for the game, like shaders and other hardware bound texture programming options.
But i doubt most of those games are playable with those CPU's, even on lowest settings.

gdywataka · Nov 24, 2016

GamerBoy357 :

I think he meant with CPU's without HT, like the Core 2 Duo E7500 he mentioned.
I had a dual core(No HT) not so long ago, but coudn't play 3 years old games properly(very low fps).
4 threads is the minimun and also best for gaming now.

4745454b · Nov 24, 2016

CPU bound games like the fallout 4 and GTA 5 will make the i3 6100 struggle bit.

Gamer, we've gone over this with you before. The 6100 handles GTA5 just fine.

http://i66.tinypic.com/mj3jhc.jpg

The 6100 outperforms the FX-83xx, so I'm not sure why you keep saying the 6100 won't handle GTA5.

As for the OP, do you have a link to a sample YT video? I would think they are using a high end GPU or playing on a very low setting. I saw someone post a video with an older dual core and there were slight pauses all over the place. If that's "playable" for you then great. They would distract me to no end however.

DragonBorn1511 · Nov 24, 2016

4745454b :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nzW04JrJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGd7FVP5geU

These are the videos that really caught my eye although I have seen others as well. The first one, I understand he's using a G3258 Overclocked @ 4.5Ghz but it's the 2 cores/2 threads I was referring to.

TBH gving the example of an E7500 was probably a bad idea haha (Since it truly has terrible performance nowadays) but something like a G1840 Celeron (LGA1150) would be a perfect example.

Obviously on a pure dual core CPU i'm not expecting 1080P. But i was led to believe a dual Core wouldn't even be capable of opening the games let alone play them at any settings, which is why I asked about it.

I understand 4 threads/4cores is the norm for gaming now, I personally own an i5 3450 and i3 2100 rigs, for reference the i3 2100 can handle 1080P fallout 4 fine with a GTX 760. (I haven't played GTA V on PC).

However I was just curious as to how people do it with Dual Cores at all. Because I remember when Far Cry 4 came out ,there was huge talk about how it didn't even run on dual Core CPU's tc etc. I just didn't realise games like fallout 4, witcher 3, and GTA V don't follow the same ruling as Far Cry 4. I presumed they all required 4 threads.

Tbh it's nice to see budget oriented Celerons and Pentiums being able to game even at lower settings on AAA Titles because here in the UK, New LGA1151 i5's cost A LOT and even i3's cost a decent chunk of change. Although saying that i'd never buy a Celeron/Pentium anyway.

DragonBorn1511 · Nov 25, 2016

GamerBoy357 :

The problem with your comment in regards to this specific thread is this part: "when we are talking about the performance of a game on a specific CPU we always consider that the game will be running with the highest settings and not some CPU friendly settings with grass, population variety with AA/AO disabled."

Yes you're right when CPU Benchmarks are done, the highest settings are used for comparison purposes etc etc.

I was asking whether the games would be playable at all, (there's a difference between playing the game and just bench marking it to see it's performance), therefore you would be dropping the settings to make sure the game runs smoothly. And that wouldn't just be for an i3, that would go for any CPU. even i5's.

4745454b · Nov 25, 2016

I clicked on your first link, 1:47 in. He shows the settings for Witcher 3. Notice he isn't running at 1080, but 720. He also has most everything set to low or medium at best. This is what I would expect for most newer games. 720, some might be able to run at 1080, but all the details set to off, low, or maybe some at medium. If this is "gaming" for you then be happy. I (And I would hope/assume most people) have 1080 monitor and want to have the resolution set to that all the time. Medium also wouldn't be the top end of what I set the details to. Ultra or if I have to high detail settings is what I'd want. The 460 is also a quite the gaming card, or at least was. I wouldn't expect any GT720 or GT730 to be able to do what happened in that video.

i never said that GTA 5 will be unplayable on a i3 6100, it will struggle when running the game on the highest settings.

And your link for this is where? I posted a link showing the 6100 outperforming the 83xx. Would you say the 8350 would have issues running that game as well? The link I used also showed a ~100FPS avg, what slow down would you expect. You are still well above 60FPS so even if it slows down 20-25% you are still well above 60FPS. There is no issue with the 6100 like you believe.

DragonBorn1511 · Nov 25, 2016

4745454b :

Yeah I know, I said earlier that I would NEVER expect 1080P from a CPU like that, also I never specified a GT720/GT730.

I also said I'd never buy a Pentium/Celeron, I was just curious as to how people ran them on dual core's as per the reason I stated earlier.

I didn't the question to find out how "well" the latest AAA games run on a pure Dual Core (that's quite obvious, I didn't even need a youtube video to figure that out, the answer would be either not very well, or 720P low). I asked the question, how do people run the games at all?

As for your little quarrel with, Gamerboy357, You're 100% correct, an i3 6100 will easily do GTA V as would an 8320/8350.

i3's are heavily underrated due to the limelight being taken by i5's, they're completely capable for most consumer tasks, I only own an i5 3450 because I never bought it brand new and got a good deal out of it. before that I used to own 2 i3 2100 rigs, both with GTX 760's, both ran perfectly fine.

4745454b · Nov 25, 2016

I guess the answer is it runs, but badly. I can only think of a few times where a game wouldn't even load. That happened around the time DX7 came out and hardware T&L was required to run the game. Older DX6 cards wouldn't even allow the game to load. Similar breaks would be around DX9 vs DX1x. Most more recent cards can run some form of DX1x so this isn't much of a problem. I know you didn't mention GT720, I did. I did that because if someone reading this later saw the GTX460 can run game well, the "higher number" 720 should be able to as well right? 720 > 460? This is a common belief. Higher numbers always equal better performance. The 720 might be a higher number, but it was never a gaming card. It's a card you use only when you need basic video output.

I asked the question, how do people run the games at all?

Low settings, low resolution. Again, because there is no hard break like with DX7, etc, it's possible for the game to run. Lower enough settings and you'll get the low 30s that make it runable. Would any serious gamer want to? I doubt it. But not everyone has money to spend on gaming rigs. And it's great that cheap ~$50 cards can at least run current stuff.

As for your little quarrel with, Gamerboy357..i3's are heavily underrated due to the limelight being taken by i5's, they're completely capable for most consumer tasks,

First, I don't mean to "quarrel" with gamer in your thread. Us mods are having an issue with him spreading misinformation. Just like you pointed out. Underrated because of better CPUs out there. The 6100 is a great budget chip compared to previous budget offerings from both Intel and AMD. I'm not sure I'd go all the way down to Pentium or Celeron CPUs as the specs there are still really small. But the 6100 does really good as a budget gaming CPU. Well enough that people should get it over the 83xx CPUs from AMD. If Gamer ever wants to post real links showing the 6100 performing badly that would be great. But just claiming "CPU bound games like the fallout 4 and GTA 5 will make the i3 6100 struggle" while we have provided him proof otherwise is just him spreading FUD. I'll bow out of talking to him in this thread to prevent it from going off course again.

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