Old VelociRaptor vs (new) FireCuda for video work

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Hello everyone,

I'm simply looking for a confirmation here, or for alternate suggestions.. hope that's OK. I've got an old VelociRaptor drive (SATA2 (3Gbps), 300GB 10K RPM, model WD3000HLFS-01G6U1) which I am currently using as a video/scratch drive for Premiere Elements and also as my games drive (Steam, Origin, UPlay). It's getting full though, so I need to add another drive to my system. I have no reason to upgrade (and therefore retire the VelociRaptor) since it's working perfectly fine. I can't afford another/new VelociRaptor, but I hear good things about Seagate's new FireCuda drives, so I'm thinking about getting the 2TB version (model ST2000DX002).

Am I correct in thinking that once I have the new drive, I should continue to use the VelociRaptor for video, and simply move my games to the FireCuda? (Doing the opposite doesn't make much sense--based on specs and on the fact that the 8GB of flash memory on the FireCuda won't do much for video work--but I guess that's what I'm asking.. :heink::)

Any other ideas here? (Please note that this is not "pro" video work, just home stuff, hence my use of Premiere Elements, not Premiere, AfterEffects, etc.; 300GB of video drive has been plenty for what I am doing, as I work on one video project at a time, and clear everything that's no longer required once the project is complete.)


Thank you so much!

Dany


P.S. While I'm here, I may as well ask: is the info at http://lifehacker.com/how-to-move-a-pc-game-to-another-hard-drive-without-re-1714706774 the proper way to migrate games to a new drive? Thanks again!
 
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The FireCUDA SSHD is an excellent choice for a data for gaming drive. In "normal use" in a workstation environment, we tend to work on a project or two at a time, and the SSHDs algorhythms will put "frequently used files" on the SSD portion of the drive where it can be accessed and written to extremely fast. Then as you move onto your next project, the old files for the last project get moved off and the new ones take its place. However, if you are randomly using different files every few minutes and no files fall into the "frequently used" category, then the performance is the same as a speedy 7200 rpm HD.

Here's the results of some in house testing (SSD / SSHD / 7200 rpm HD):

Boot Windows: 15.6 sec / 16.5 sec / 21.2 sec
Open 8GB...

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Moving Steam games. That Lifehacker thing is the most convoluted POC ever.

Simple:
On the new drive,create a folder. Call it what you wish - MyGames. As a sub folder of that, create a SteamApps folder
In the Steam client, designate that folder as an alternate location. This does the same thing as the 'symlink' foolishness in that article

In your existing Steam folder, find the SteamApps folder
Copy/paste from original drive to new drive, those games you wish to move over.
Delete from the original drive
Done.

In the Steam client, you can designate this new folder as the default or all future game installs. It will give you the opportunity to choose elsewhere, but that will be the default if you choose.

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If you want to move ALL of your existing games, simply copy the entire SteamApps folder over to the new drive
 

danytancou

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Ummm... OK, and use the SSD for what--games? I don't really need the speed for what is, ultimately storage. I'd still be interested in the VR vs FC question, but thank you all the same! :)


Dany
 

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Check. Thanks for that! :)

D.

 


use the ssd for the video scratch drive

 
The FireCUDA SSHD is an excellent choice for a data for gaming drive. In "normal use" in a workstation environment, we tend to work on a project or two at a time, and the SSHDs algorhythms will put "frequently used files" on the SSD portion of the drive where it can be accessed and written to extremely fast. Then as you move onto your next project, the old files for the last project get moved off and the new ones take its place. However, if you are randomly using different files every few minutes and no files fall into the "frequently used" category, then the performance is the same as a speedy 7200 rpm HD.

Here's the results of some in house testing (SSD / SSHD / 7200 rpm HD):

Boot Windows: 15.6 sec / 16.5 sec / 21.2 sec
Open 8GB AutoCAD file: 39 sec / 39 sec / 39 sec
Open MMO to point where character can move: 46 sec / 46 sec / 46 sec

All tests were don on same workstation 4770k / 16GB / Samsng Pro 256 / SLI'd 780s / 2 TB 7200 rpm SSHD / 2 TB HD.

The disconnect when selecting storage devices is that with most other components, the benchmarks are reflective of our every day experiences. Purchase decisions are made using benchmarks which really do not reflect every day usage. I saw one you tube video where a dude "made his case" by opening Chrome with 50 tabs. I would guess that the amount if peeps who do that in the normal course of their day is very small. The simple fact is, while SSDs are much faster than HDs, there's very few things that folks do every day that affects their life in a meaningful way, it's not as if if an attorney's office put SSDs in all their secretary's PCs, that they would bet more briefs typed each day ... the user is the bottleneck here.

With video editing, rendering and such, in a production environment is where we do see speed being a factor. If I was building a PC by a video editing hobbyist, I'd likely choose a 6700k ... if it was a production environment, 5960X... depending on what software being used (i.e, Davinci Resolve), I'd go all out on the GFX cards. For a rendering hobbyist, a GTX GFX Card (w/ CUDA) would go in... but in a production environment, we'd want a Quadro.

Your situation is no different ... what you would pick would much depend upon the size of the files and how often you are doing it. In a production environment, you'd want a SSD, adequately sized to handle your largest files for rendering/. For long term storage, a slow "green Drive" is just fine. For the occasional usage, it's balance of time saved versus money. If it doesn't save money (billable time), then it becomes a matter of what your
free time" is worth.

When we look at benchmarks ...

Video Editing - fastest is new raptor by a hair
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-13-PCMark-7-Video-editing-using-Windows-Movie-Maker,2911.html


Now let look at SSDs

Video Editing - We see that an SSD is about 10% faster than the above....

The question only you can answer is:

Do I spend $104 for a FireCuda that scores 21.56 ? ... or do i spend $184 for 1/8th of that storage capacity to score 23.93 ?

The other part of that question that is harder to answer is how much of what you actually do is reflective of what that benchmark does.

We have two laptops used for field work using AutoCAD 2017. One had a SSD + 7200 rpm HD, one had a 2 TB SSHD. They were randomly used by field personnel and no one was ever able to tell which was which... of course they were used to do actual workstation work .. and even play games ... but not for benchmarks.

But again, it all comes down to how much is it worth to spend to get various levels of performance; only you can make that decision. If money is no object, then get a 1 TB SSD ... if it is, then look for the best bang for the buck within your budget.
 
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Not to contradict you, as my information may be old, but don't SSDs have a limited number of writes? If so, considering that I spend at least 15-20 hours per week working in Premiere Elements, wouldn't an SSD that's a dedicated scratch disk pretty much die within a year or whatever?
 


depends how much it all adds up to

i got a 850 evo from a server couple of weeks ago

samsung rate it at 75tbw this had 160tbw and was still working perfectly fine

pretty sure some one did a constant 24/7 test on some ssds and they went a ridiculous amount over the manufacturers limit

 

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Hey Jack,

Thank you so, so much for your in-depth analysis! Really, really appreciate it! What you say makes perfect sense--to choose gear based on actual needs... I, too, subscribe to that theory! :)

As I just said in my other posts, this is not "pro" work that I am doing, just home video stuff, so going the Quadro/i7-EE/1TB SSD route is not something I need. The speed I get from my (oc'd) 4770K/16GB RAM/GTX 770 is plenty for my requirements (both gaming and video editing). All I am looking for is more storage, as per my initial post--and after reading what you wrote, it seems that my assumption to use the FireCuda for games and purposing the old VelociRaptor to be solely a scratch disk was correct.


Thanks again,

Dany
 
As a side note ... we have been using SSHDs exclusively for about 6 years ... must have installed 40 by now. AFAIK, not one has failed. My 2010 laptop died, I took out the 2.5" SSHD and still use it today. Have a camera and video camera that accept 2.5" HDs ... using them in a BlacX to transfer files as well as the "Hot-Swap 2.5" bay in the Antec D85 case ... why doesn't every case come with one of these ?
 

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Thanks for sharing this with me! Well, I'm happy to see that this is not really a concern. Still, I think I'm going to go the SSHD route, for more storage (not bang! :)) for the buck.


Once again, I appreciate your input,

Dany
 


no problem as already said its a time vs money thing

i would spend the extra to save the time

others would go the other way round

just a personal choice

 

danytancou

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Yup, that seems to be the consensus. :)

Alright, I think we've beaten this one to death. Ftr, in case anyone is wondering, the FireCuda will become my gaming drive and I'll leave the old VelociRaptor as my video drive.


Cheers,

Dany