Low FPS on new RX480

Gareth_9

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Hello dear lords and ladies!

so ive recently upgraded my gpu, may have been having issues beforehand on previous card,

on the amd 480x I was geting 53 fps on furmark 1080(fhd) and 15 fps on BF1, i then changed power limit in Wattman to 50, which brought my fps up to 73 in Furmark

This seems very low to me, my friend has an i5 2500k (not over clocked) and an r9 390 and he's getting 80 fps in furmark


completely new Windows 10, installed from usb boot :)
heres my specs,

Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
AMD FX-8350 42°C
Vishera 32nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 936MHz (11-11-11-30)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. M5A97 LE R2.0 (Socket 942) 30 °C
Graphics
VX2757 (1920x1080@60Hz)
8192MB ATI AMD Radeon RX 480 (ATI) 38 °C max stress test of gpu was 90
Storage
111GB KINGSTON SV300S37A120G (SSD) 31 °C
PSU - 650 ANTEC

max stress test of gpu was 60 and max cpu was 55
Thankyou for you time! :D

obviously something is very wrong, but for the life of me i cant figure what!
 

xStampede

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Download MSI Afterburner to monitor temperatures over time during gameplay, there is a graph of temperatures for last few minutes so you can check after you stop playing to see what temperatures and GPU usage were during gameplay. It might be thermal throtling, what Case ventilation do you have? It might be bad air flow or something.
 
Furmark's temperature monitoring and display graph is superior to Afterburner's...it also notes when throttling occurs. The problem is that when Furmark is not full screen or a screen size window, it affects the load put on the GPU so results are often skewed.

This is the 1st I have heard of Furmark being used for fps. Synthetic benchmarks are generally used to heat loads the CPU (or CPU) and are poor tools for actual performance comparisons.

Is this a "reference design". If so all 480s throttle ... so do the reference 1970 and 1080s. Changing the power limit oin a reference design is scary. The power deliver system design on the 480 is deficient and damage can and has occurred

https://www.techpowerup.com/223833/official-statement-from-amd-on-the-pci-express-overcurrent-issue
http://www.techspot.com/news/65435-amd-radeon-rx-480-reportedly-overdrawing-power-pcie.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/29.html

The RX 480 reference board comes with a 6-pin power input, which combined with the power from the PCIe slot is specified for up to 150 W power draw. The RX 480, however, consistently exceeds 150 W, reaching 163-166 watts in our tests. While this is a non-issue for most power supplies and motherboards, there are some (very few) that will run into problems with providing over-the-spec power for extended periods of time. I think AMD should have rather opted for an 8-pin power input instead of the 6-pin. This would also have allowed them to go for a higher board power limit, which would have resulted in better performance.

AMD claimed a fix via a later update but that comes a a price. The card has a 6 pin power connector rated for 75 watts, it can draw another 75 watts from the PCI slot. The problem was, the card was drawing significantly ore power thereby exceeding the rating of the PCIE slot... no matter how you try and spin it, that's a bad thing. Unless you violate the laws of the universe, the only way to solve the problem is to reduce the amount of power the card can use. Since performance goes down when power goes down, the fix has a performance penalty.

Now most of the AIB partners were more intelligent about their design and provided an 8-pin connector. If you have one of these, you are fine. That 8 pin can handle 150 watts all by itself. But if you are using wattman to increase the power limit, unless that "fix" included ignoring wattman, if you have a 6 pin connector I would steer well clear of any power limit increased.

What do you mean when you see temps were 38C max (I assume that's idle)... cause when gaming, the AMD 480 hits 84C

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Look at TPUs game performance tests, if you have one of these games, you can get an idea of how you compare

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/6.html

But be aware ...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/29.html

The weakest point of AMD's reference design is certainly the thermal solution. It doesn't use any heatpipes or other high-tech means to keep the card cool. Rather, there is a big slab of metal with a copper core that has the blower fan sending air across its fins. As a result we are seeing temperatures of up to 84°C, which has the card clock down further to keep cool. On average, our card ran 1239 MHz, which is in the upper range of AMD's rated 1120-1266 MHz clock window. What's even worse than the heat is the terrible fan noise. While idle noise is fine with 29 dBA (an idle-fan-off feature would have still been nice), in gaming, the fan ramps up a lot, emitting 41 dBA during gaming (not Furmark). This makes the RX 480 the loudest card launched in recent history, much noisier than, for example, the GTX 1080 (which is almost twice as fast). AMD has mentioned to us that the reference design is deliberately weak to leave room for partners to improve on their custom designs. To me, this sounds a bit like "let the partners deal with the problem".

With Polaris, AMD is introducing a new overclocking control panel called "WattMan," which has tons of options, including voltage control and several ways to adjust the thermal profile. However, overclocking potential on our sample was very slim. All we managed without causing stability issues was an increase of the GPU clock from 1266 MHz to 1335 MHz, which is a lousy 5%; again, the worst I've seen for years on a reference board. This is further complicated by the fact that the card will often clock down during OC because it a) exceeds the board power limit or b) runs too hot. If you increase the power limit using WattMan, you'll run into the thermal limit quicker. It does seem as though there is a huge spread between GPUs on review samples. I've heard of reviewers who see stock temperatures well below 80°C, while others reach up to 89°C. Assuming AMD selected the best cards for press review, retail cards might even be worse, which means higher temps, more noise, and lower performance.
 

Gareth_9

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Hi Jack. Thanks you very much for the indepth response, it's appreciated! I'm not very tech savvy and I've been pulling my hair out for 2 days over this, so please bear with me.
I don't think my card is a reference design, it is a 480x Sapphire link here - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-8192mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-379-sp.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiA4JnCBRDQ5be3nKCPhpwBEiQAjwN1btqnXQai8w93CgeZ_vSMVyHNazauFKjAIYpldGgeUD4aAsos8P8HAQ.

I put the power limit to 50% because it is the only thing that has improved my fps at all
From what I can tell I should be getting much better performance from my setup. I have built this PC, primarily, for Battlefield One and I'm getting very blatant fps drops and generally low fps on medium settings. I've been led to believe I can achieve atleast 90fps on ultra at 1080p. My friend is getting around the same or more with an r9 390 and i5 2500k (not overclocked) on Ultra.
I don't think that my pc is overheating at all. I'm struggling to get to 90C on my gpu with furmark on for extended periods of time.
All drivers are current and I have nothing else installed. I installed windows 10 fresh today and I'm running BF1 on my SSD.
I didn't realise that Furmark was for heat testing. I checked heaven UNIGINE out and it's giving me 2050 on ultra with 2x antialias. Is this normal for my setup?

heres my gpu - z results http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/16/12/06/uta.png
 
If it's black with red lettering on it that says RADEON on it near the lots it's are reference design

Ones on left (1st column) are reference, 2nd and 3rd column are non-reference

https://www.sapphiretech.com/catapage_pd.asp?cataid=305&lang=eng

Games are the best yardstick... do you have any of the 16 games I linked to above ?

What % of TDP are you seeing ?

Here's MSI's non-rereference ... 73C @ 31dbA.
Reference above was 84C at 42 dbA

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I think you are throttling, don't see how ya can avoid it on that design. GPUz will tell you when your throttling look at perf Cap and % of TDP graphs
 

Gareth_9

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I couldn't find the perf cap or the tdp graphs, really sorry :/
I ran the witcher 3, which gave the exact right fps, but it was only the intro bit rather than any intense fighting, i ran BF1 on 60fps perfectlyon ultra, until i got near congested areas where it instantly shot to 15 fps :O
 

Deu___

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Your problem is not your gpu or your pc. The problem is in the game. Battlefield 1 is broken since the patch came out. I have RX 480 and FX-8320 @4.2 GHz. My RX 480 is asus strix and max temp in bf1 is 60C. Before the patch came out i had over 100 fps on 1080p and after the patch my fps is really bad it drops down to 30. The game is almost unplayable. Some maps are literally unplayable..in empires edge the biggest fps drop. Can't you see many posts regarding performance issues after the patch? My friend have gtx 1080 and still bad performance since the patch came out. Relax until the next patch, ea and dice said that they will fix performance issues. Greets :D