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Abhay_8756

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I have a budget of $3600. Please help me to build a workstation for heavy duty simulation rendering. (without cd/dvd writer)
 
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Abhay_7656,

First, it is necessary to know:

1. Is the rendering software CPU or GPU based?
2. What is the typical file size?
3. What is the software used to produce the 3D model?
4. What country?

The HP z420 listed below is an example of a system intended for 3D modeling- a high clock speed (4.0GHz)- and the HP z620 intended to run both CPU and GPU rendering well.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

CAD / 3D Modeling / Graphic Design:

HP z420 (2015) (Rev 3) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) / 32GB DDR3 -1866 ECC RAM / Quadro K4200 (4GB) / Samsung SM951 M.2 256GB AHCI + Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) + Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)
[ Passmark Rating = 5581 > CPU= 14046 / 2D= 838 / 3D= 4694 / Mem= 2777 / Disk= 11559] [6.12.16]

Analysis / Simulation / Rendering:

HP z620 (2012) (Rev 3) 2X Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 / 3.8GHz) / 64GB DDR3-1600 ECC reg) / Quadro K2200 (4GB) + Tesla M2090 (6GB) / HP Z Turbo Drive (256GB) + Seagate Constellation ES.3 (1TB) / 800W > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > HP 2711x (27" 1980 X 1080)
[ Passmark System Rating= 5675 / CPU= 22625 / 2D= 815 / 3D = 3580 / Mem = 2522 / Disk = 12640 ] 9.25.16
 

Abhay_8756

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1. Is the rendering software CPU or GPU based?

Answer. Some software uses CPU and Some uses GPU so in that case i want a powerful system best for both condition.

2. What is the typical file size?

Answer. 1GB+ sometimes. when i have a high poly model. high res textures of 4k to 6k resolution and fluid interaction.

3. What is the software used to produce the 3D model?

Answer. I use maya and zbrush for modeling.
pf track n mocha for tracking, after effects and nuke for Compositing, premier for editing, maya, real flow and houdini for simulation.

4. What country?

Answer. India.
 


Abhay_8756,

Sorry for the delay in replying.

It seems that to make a useful recommendation will require knowing the likely sources that would be used for parts. It's necessary to know the prices to know the parts options.

The first idea is that a system with both CPU and GPU rendering and given the need for both 3D modeling- which requires a fast CPU, and extraordinary file size of 1GB, should be a dual E5-2600 Xeon of two six or eight cores.

The problem is cost as new CPU's could easily be more than half the budget.

1. Is it practical to buy used Xeon E5 CPU's?

2. Can you buy a used Dell Precision T7600 or HP z620 or z820 ?

It's not certain, but the best idea for the proposed system may be to have a single 8-core Xeon (possibly E5-1660 v4 (8C @ 3.2 /3.8GHz) on an X99 motherboard, 64GB of RAM, 2X GTX 1070, a fast M.2 SSD or large Samsung 850, and appropriately sized mech'l HD storage, 750W PSU. Perhaps:

BambiBoom PixelCannon Cadamodelrendergrapharific iWork TurboBlast Extreme SuperModel 9000 ®©$$™®£™©™_12. 11.16


1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1660 v4 Eight-Core Processor 3.2 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 15MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU> $659
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82765/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v3-15M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?s=E5-1650+v3

2. CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Fan > $32.

3. Motherboard: ASUS X99-M WS LGA2011-v3/ Intel X99/ DDR4/ Quad CrossFireX & Quad SLI/ SATA3&USB3.1/ M.2/ A&2GbE/ MicroATX Motherboard > $264

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-X99E-WS

4. RAM: 64GB (4X 16GB) Kingston ValueRAM 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4 2400 RAM (Server Memory) ECC Micron A DIMM (288-Pin) KVR24E17D8/16MA > $412 ($103 ea.)

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820242274&cm_re=ddr4_2400_ECC_unbuffered_16gb-_-20-242-274-_-Product

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro M4000 8GB GDDR5 4DisplayPorts PCI-Express Video Card > $763.

____http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=PNY-M4000

6. Drive 1: Samsung 950 PRO NVMe Series 256GB M.2 PCI-Express 3.0 Solid State Drive, Retail (3D V-NAND)> $198 (OS and Programmes)

____http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K3U60463&cm_re=950_pro-_-20-147-466-_-Product

7. Drive 2: Samsung 850 EVO Series 500GB 2.5 inch SATA3 Solid State Drive, Retail (3D V-NAND) > $176 (Projects)

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MZ-75E500B

8. Drive 3: Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST2000NM0033 2TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive > $145

9. PSU: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready> $120

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087&ignorebbr=1

10. Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

11. Case: LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 > $181

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-A75

12. Operating System:
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 $138.99

________________________________________________________

TOTAL = $ 3,107 USD

Eventually, this could have 128GB RAM and 2X Quadro M4000 ( = 16GB and 3,338 CUDA cores)

This could be done with 32GB of RAM, the Samsung 850 Evo as main drive (deletes Samsung 950), and GTX 1070 (8GB, 1,920 CUDA) to start, for about $2,400.

Just to start the conversation.

Cheers,

BambiBoom




 

Abhay_8756

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Abhay_8756,

Sorry for the delay in replying.

It seems that to make a useful recommendation will require knowing the likely sources that would be used for parts. It's necessary to know the prices to know the parts options.

The first idea is that a system with both CPU and GPU rendering and given the need for both 3D modeling- which requires a fast CPU, and extraordinary file size of 1GB, should be a dual E5-2600 Xeon of two six or eight cores.

The problem is cost as new CPU's could easily be more than half the budget.

1. Is it practical to buy used Xeon E5 CPU's?

2. Can you buy a used Dell Precision T7600 or HP z620 or z820 ?

It's not certain, but the best idea for the proposed system may be to have a single 8-core Xeon (possibly E5-1660 v4 (8C @ 3.2 /3.8GHz) on an X99 motherboard, 64GB of RAM, 2X GTX 1070, a fast M.2 SSD or large Samsung 850, and appropriately sized mech'l HD storage, 750W PSU. Perhaps:

BambiBoom PixelCannon Cadamodelrendergrapharific iWork TurboBlast Extreme SuperModel 9000 ®©$$™®£™©™_12. 11.16


1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1660 v4 Eight-Core Processor 3.2 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 15MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU> $659
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82765/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v3-15M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?s=E5-1650+v3

2. CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Fan > $32.

3. Motherboard: ASUS X99-M WS LGA2011-v3/ Intel X99/ DDR4/ Quad CrossFireX & Quad SLI/ SATA3&USB3.1/ M.2/ A&2GbE/ MicroATX Motherboard > $264

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-X99E-WS

4. RAM: 64GB (4X 16GB) Kingston ValueRAM 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4 2400 RAM (Server Memory) ECC Micron A DIMM (288-Pin) KVR24E17D8/16MA > $412 ($103 ea.)

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820242274&cm_re=ddr4_2400_ECC_unbuffered_16gb-_-20-242-274-_-Product

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro M4000 8GB GDDR5 4DisplayPorts PCI-Express Video Card > $763.

____http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=PNY-M4000

6. Drive 1: Samsung 950 PRO NVMe Series 256GB M.2 PCI-Express 3.0 Solid State Drive, Retail (3D V-NAND)> $198 (OS and Programmes)

____http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K3U60463&cm_re=950_pro-_-20-147-466-_-Product

7. Drive 2: Samsung 850 EVO Series 500GB 2.5 inch SATA3 Solid State Drive, Retail (3D V-NAND) > $176 (Projects)

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MZ-75E500B

8. Drive 3: Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST2000NM0033 2TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive > $145

9. PSU: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready> $120

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087&ignorebbr=1

10. Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

11. Case: LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 > $181

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-A75

12. Operating System:
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 $138.99

________________________________________________________

TOTAL = $ 3,107 USD

Eventually, this could have 128GB RAM and 2X Quadro M4000 ( = 16GB and 3,338 CUDA cores)

This could be done with 32GB of RAM, the Samsung 850 Evo as main drive (deletes Samsung 950), and GTX 1070 (8GB, 1,920 CUDA) to start, for about $2,400.

Just to start the conversation.

Cheers,

BambiBoom




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Hello,

1. Is it practical to buy used Xeon E5 CPU's?

Answer: No i don't want to buy any used part.

2. Can you buy a used Dell Precision T7600 or HP z620 or z820 ?

Answer: No. I want to buy a new system.

First of all Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I have few questions i want to ask and also want to share my self created list for my cutom pc. please take a look and tell me if there's any upgrade available to do in my list. here's -

-dual Xeon e5 2690 v4 processor
-Asus Rampage V Edition motherboard
-Corsair AX1200i power supply
-Nvidia TitanX 12GB graphic card
-WD 2TB internal HDD
-Samsung 500GB SSD
-Corsair 4x 16GB ddr4 RAM
-Phantek enthoo pro case
-dell 21.5" monitor

the problem with this list is i have to degrade my Graphic card and Processor to keep the final price in my budget. my friend is using "intel corei7 5820k haswell-e 6-core 3.3GHz lga 2011 v3 140w for ddr4" processor and "Gigabyte Gtx980ti 6GB gddr5" graphic card.

Q. the parts mentioned in my list are compatible with each others and work fine when combined.

Q. what if i use intel corei7 5820k processor and GTX 980Ti 6GB graphic card in replacement with xeon processor and titan X graphic card. because they are too costly. i can upgrade them later.

Accordingly please tell me now whats best for me in my budget.


thanks
 
Hello,

1. Is it practical to buy used Xeon E5 CPU's?

Answer: No i don't want to buy any used part.

2. Can you buy a used Dell Precision T7600 or HP z620 or z820 ?

Answer: No. I want to buy a new system.

First of all Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I have few questions i want to ask and also want to share my self created list for my cutom pc. please take a look and tell me if there's any upgrade available to do in my list. here's -

-dual Xeon e5 2690 v4 processor
-Asus Rampage V Edition motherboard
-Corsair AX1200i power supply
-Nvidia TitanX 12GB graphic card
-WD 2TB internal HDD
-Samsung 500GB SSD
-Corsair 4x 16GB ddr4 RAM
-Phantek enthoo pro case
-dell 21.5" monitor

the problem with this list is i have to degrade my Graphic card and Processor to keep the final price in my budget. my friend is using "intel corei7 5820k haswell-e 6-core 3.3GHz lga 2011 v3 140w for ddr4" processor and "Gigabyte Gtx980ti 6GB gddr5" graphic card.

Q. the parts mentioned in my list are compatible with each others and work fine when combined.

Q. what if i use intel corei7 5820k processor and GTX 980Ti 6GB graphic card in replacement with xeon processor and titan X graphic card. because they are too costly. i can upgrade them later.

Accordingly please tell me now whats best for me in my budget.



Abhay_8756,

There are a couple of problems with the E5-2690 v4 system list as that CPU cost $2,100 each, plus the Asus Rampage V is a single CPU motherboard. That system, given the proper motherboard, would cost more than $6000 in the US.

I do not recommend the i7-5820K as it has only 28 PCI lanes instead of 40. That is a disadvantage when using multiple GPU's plus M.2. That is also a 6-core and I would suggest an 8-core minimally if there is CPU rendering.

Instead of GTX 980 Ti, consider GTX 1070 with the idea of adding a second one later.

Overall, I prefer the list using the E5-1660 v4.

But a dual system would be better. Perhaps buy a Supermicro X10 DAi motherboard and start with a single 8-core E5- 2600 v3 or v4. The Quadro M4000 could be changed to a GTX 1080- the price is similar.


Cheers,

BambiBoom
 

Abhay_8756

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Hello,

I want a one time investment pc. that means i don't want to buy any part with a lower configuration. Except processor and graphic card i can afford every other part to it's best version. Like-

Processor - best in i7 or xeon e5 1660 v4 (as you have mentioned in your previous list)

GPU - 6GB or more (which I can multiply in future)

Motherboard - asus motherboard (which will support dual xeon e5 2690 v4 and have more than 2 slots for GPU, and multiple ssd slots)

RAM - 64GB or 128GB

PSU - accordingly

CPU cooler - liquid cooling or other accordingly

SSD - Samsung 500GB or more

HDD - 2TB internal hard drive

Case - accordingly from Cooler Master or Corsair

OS - windows 7 64-bit (best version)

(i already have an external dvd writer so i don't want to invest on that.)

Can you please tell me how much the system will cost according to this list, with i7 and with single xeon, with 64gb ram and with 128 gb ram.)

I don't want to change any part in future, All i want is just right now leave some space for future upgrade.
I can use 1 graphic card now with 2 other slots left on motherboard.
I can use an i7 or a single xeon processor with one other socket left on motherboard.

So then in future if i have to go for an upgrade, i don't have to change my motherboard or case or GPU.

Please tell me according to this how much this system will cost with each part's price also


thanks
 

Abhay_8756,

I would be pleased to provide such a list, but you must provide a link to a source for parts that has prices.

Because of the prices that I can find in India, I do not think the E5-2690 v4 or the E5-1660 v4 will be possible because of the cost.

On Amazon.in : XEON E5-2690 V4 LGA2011-3 2.6G Price: 239,872.00 + 300.00 Delivery charge.

In USD, that CPU with shipping costs $3,578, or in other words, that one part costs the entire system budget.

The E5-1660 v3 - perhaps the v4 is not yet offered in Indai- cost Ru 164,917 or $2,461. That is also far too expensive for a $3,600 system.

The ASUS Z10PE-D16 WS dual LGA2011-3 motherboard costs Ru 48,350 or $717

GTX Titan X = Ru 152,990 = $2,269

The E5-2690 - first version- used - costs Ru 131,377 or $1,949. In the US, I bought an E5-2690 for $152.

Some more realistic possibilities:

i7-6850K (6-core @ 3.6 /4.0GHz) = Ru 49,077 or $728.
i7-6900K (8-core @ 3.2 /3.7GHz) 92,490 or $1,372
ASUS X99-A-II motherboard Ru 28450 = $422
GTX 1070 (8GB) Ru 45,000 = $667

I think the budget for a dual Xeon system with a top end GPU needs to be about double the original idea.

And so on.

What would you like to do ?

Cheers,

BambiBoom




 

Abhay_8756

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Hello,

alright. now let's make a final list with step by step clarification.

let's start from motherboard.
for motherboard-
my requirements:
1. two processor slots
2. dual xeon e5 2690 v4 supportable
3.Titan X 12GB supportable
4. two+ gpu slots
5. (8x16gb) 128GB ddr4 ram supportable
6. brand must be Asus.
7. affordable

according to this suggest me one best motherboard and it's price.

l also want to ask that can i run this motherboard with a single i7 processor?

Hard drive and SSD is fixed:
-WD 2TB Desktop internal hard drive
www.amazon.in/WD-Black-Desktop-Internal-Drive/dp/B004O8VCDI

-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB internal SSD
www.amazon.in/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E500B-AM/dp/B00OBRE5UE

after deciding motherboard i will ask the best i7 processor with 8 cores.
i want to decide and calculate things one by one.


thanks
 


Abhay_8756,

Motherboard: Asus Z10PE-D16 WS > Ru 48,350.00 + 150.00 Delivery charge. This motherboard is Dual LGA2011-3, so it will support any Xeon E5-1600 or E5-2600 v4, and I'm reasonably sure, also E5- v3.

As for affordability, the ASUS Z10PE-D16 WS, E-ATX at Ru 48,350 (= $716 US) is RU 2,000 less expensive than the ASUS Z10PE-D8 WS. There does not appear to be any other dual CPU ASUS motherboard, at least on amazon.in. The D8 is also is the larger SSI-EBB format for which there are not many choices for the case. The performance of that motherboard is near the top.

GPU: The ASUS Z10PE-D16 can use up to 3X PCI3.0 x16 GPU's in SLI, and 1TB of DDR4-2400. For Titan X, the power supply minimum recommended is 600-650 for a single, and 900W+ for dual /SLI.

RAM: In order eventually to use the motherboard with two CPU's, ECC registered RAM must be used. Non-ECC RAM will have to be completely replaced.

CPU: As i7's can not run on ECC RAM, it would be better to buy a used E5-1600 v3 - perhaps a used E5-1650 v3 6-core @ 3.5 /3.8GHz until the E5-2690 v4's are possible. The E5-1650 v3 6-core will remain a desirable, fast CPU and can be resold later for a good price.

Affordability: The price for an E5-2690 v4 on amazon.in is Ru 239,872- which is currently $3,555 and a Titan X costs Ru 152,990 ($2,2,67) so the finished system will cost Ru 750,000- 800,000 ($11.000-12,000) with a single GPU.


Cheers,

BambiBoom







 
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