First time builder: wanting to double check overall compatability.

Havokinthesnow · Dec 10, 2016

So I'd like some advice on this build I was trying to setup. First time builder here.

Approximate Purchase Date: Most likely next weekend - perhaps longer if prices are expected to drop on something soon.

Budget Range: Before shipping around $1500-1700, little more wouldn't be a problem.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: For at home gaming, watching movies and surfing the internet. The usual suspects I imagine.

Are you buying a monitor: Yes.

Parts to Upgrade: Entire build.
Do you need to buy OS: Yes. I believe I need windows 8 x64 version for the motherboard I have picked out. (Currently $60) I wouldn't mind windows 10 though if the overall setup could support it.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: This probably isn't very helpful but I'm happy to go where ever is the cheapest as long as the parts aren't cheaply made. I'm quite familiar with amazon and newegg though. And I have a Prime account to save on shipping, so Amazon is my most preferred.

Location: Ontario, California.

Parts Preferences:
Case: So this is mostly King Dranzer's $1000 build from the main page with a few changes here and there. First off I wanted to change the case because.... this one is shiny. But I'm not 100% sure all the parts would fit, though I think they do. DEEPCOOL TESSERACT SW Mid Tower Computer Case with Side Window and 2 Blue LED Fans SGCC+PLASTIC+RUBBER COATING http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811853002&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=8167422&SID=iwju3fhytz0035wt00053 (Currently $40)
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.50 GHz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012M8M7TY/?&tag=bom-tomshardware-20 (Currently $260)
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125875&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=8167422&SID=iwju9e3s670035wt00053 (Currently $400)
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005O65JXI/?&tag=bom-tomshardware-20 (Currently $40)
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231933&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=8167422&SID=iwjue5c88g0035wt00053 (Currently at $100x2)
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Cache-Desktop-Drive-WD10EZEX/dp/B0088PUEPK?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAJ2RTWSYJUOAO3DIA&tag=bom_tomshardware-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0088PUEPK&tzd=18&ascsubtag=[site|thaus[cat|[art|[pid|B0088PUEPK[tid|14814097350625251[bbc|LESPRIX (Currently $50)
SDD: ADATA Premier SP550 240GB 2.5 Inch SATA III Solid State Drive (ASP550SS3-240GM-C) (Currently $70) I wanted to upgrade to 240GB from the 120GB
Power Supply: Corsair RM750x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139142&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=8167422&SID=iwjujgxofr0035wt00053 (Currently $100) I was hopping this would be able to handle my power needs with the additions I've made, though I'm not 100% sure.
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4S LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157636&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=8167422&SID=iwjupqqana0035wt00053 (Currently $110). The reason I left this one till last is was because I don't believe it supports SPI in case I wanted to get a second video card down the line. I don't really think this is a must though. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and recommendations for other SPI enabled motherboards that would work for this build. I'm trying to read through the guilds on selecting one but I'm still quite confused about the whole thing.
Soundcard: Maybe? Could the motherboard even fit one? I didn't see any spot for recommendations for this and I really haven't the slightest clue what it brings to the table.

Overclocking: I'd like to if I can comfortably get it figured out.

SLI or Crossfire: I'd like my motherboard to be capable of SLI and I'm aware the one in the current build isn't. This isn't a necessity but if it the difference in price is less than $100 I'd be willing to spend the extra cash so I'd have to option of a second GTX 1070 down the line.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080. LG 24GM77 24-Inch 144Hz Gaming Monitor https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P0EOX1S/?tag=bom_tomshardware-20 (Currently priced at $250) Just like everything else I don't know much about it so I ripped it right off of the recommendations page

. I'd like to run a dual screen setup with my old monitor was well.

Additional Comments: Mostly just looking for overall general performance and durability.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My old computer is quite old. My laptop is over ten years old and my main PC is 8. I'd previously bought a pre-built setup and think with a bit of help i could handle getting one together myself to get the best bang for my buck.

Final breakdown:Motherboard recommendations for SPI?
Can the build handle the changes I made to the case, SDD and possible soundcard?
Will I be able to run a dual display?
I'm sure these are pretty newbie-ish questions, but I just wanted to check with the community to see if this would be feasible. I also plan to check down at my local computer repair place. Maybe they would be able to get me some of the parts at a cheaper price. I plan on having them insert the processor for me anyway since I heard you can break the pins if you do it wrong.

Current price estimation before shipping: $1580. If I did that math right.

Kman222 · Dec 10, 2016

the easiest way to check compatibility is to use a site called PC Part Picker (very handy)... everything looks good here but i'm no case expert but going through pcpartpicker, everything seems to be compatible... as for windows 10, you would be better off to install 10 over 8 because 10 is a much lighter OS and can even run on 10+ year old hardware

geofelt · Dec 10, 2016

I do not see any obvious incompatibilities.
The basics are very good.
I5-6600K and GTX1070 are a good match and will play anything at 1080P very well and most at 1440P also.
It is the details where I have some suggestions.

1. While the case looks nice and will hold your parts, it is deficient in cooling with only one 120mm front intake fan.
Your parts are potentially hot. I like a case with at least two front intakes of 120mm or better. And a washable front filter to keep your parts clean.

2. I do not like planning for dual graphics up front.
You will pay more for the motherboard and psu. If you eventually add a second card, you will get better fps, but your gameplay may suffer. Dual gpu is prone to screen tearing and stuttering. Some games do not support dual gpu
You will need a stronger psu .
Better, I think to sell the old card and buy a single great card. As time goes by, those new cards keep getting better and cheaper.

3. I found a really nice cooler, the scythe Kotetsu, aboyt $35.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9ZH3S91295
Here is a review.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Scythe_Kotetsu

4. On the ssd, I would not buy anything except Samsung today. Perhaps Intel.
They make their own nand chips and do a better job of performance and reliability.

5. What will you store on the hard drive? For large sequential files such as videos, that is very good.
My suggestion is to initially defer on the hard drive until you actually need room. With a 500gb ssd, you may never need a hard drive at all. I don't.

6. No need for a sound card unless you are very picky. Try onboard sound first. It is good and works.
If you want, you can buy a premium motherboard with better sound.

7. Any GTX1070 will run up to 4 displays.
Just make certain to match up the graphics card outputs with your display inputs. GTX1070 will favor displayport.

8. For a case recommendation:
M-ATX, look at the Silverstone TJ-08e. see my sig for what fits.
Full atx look for that two or better front intake fan arrangement.

9. a tip:
Buy a #2 magnetic tip Philips head screwdriver for assembly.

Havokinthesnow · Dec 11, 2016

geofelt :

I do not see any obvious incompatibilities.
The basics are very good.
I5-6600K and GTX1070 are a good match and will play anything at 1080P very well and most at 1440P also.
It is the details where I have some suggestions.

1. While the case looks nice and will hold your parts, it is deficient in cooling with only one 120mm front intake fan.
Your parts are potentially hot. I like a case with at least two front intakes of 120mm or better. And a washable front filter to keep your parts clean.

2. I do not like planning for dual graphics up front.
You will pay more for the motherboard and psu. If you eventually add a second card, you will get better fps, but your gameplay may suffer. Dual gpu is prone to screen tearing and stuttering. Some games do not support dual gpu
You will need a stronger psu .
Better, I think to sell the old card and buy a single great card. As time goes by, those new cards keep getting better and cheaper.

3. I found a really nice cooler, the scythe Kotetsu, aboyt $35.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9ZH3S91295
Here is a review.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Scythe_Kotetsu

4. On the ssd, I would not buy anything except Samsung today. Perhaps Intel.
They make their own nand chips and do a better job of performance and reliability.

5. What will you store on the hard drive? For large sequential files such as videos, that is very good.
My suggestion is to initially defer on the hard drive until you actually need room. With a 500gb ssd, you may never need a hard drive at all. I don't.

6. No need for a sound card unless you are very picky. Try onboard sound first. It is good and works.
If you want, you can buy a premium motherboard with better sound.

7. Any GTX1070 will run up to 4 displays.
Just make certain to match up the graphics card outputs with your display inputs. GTX1070 will favor displayport.

8. For a case recommendation:
M-ATX, look at the Silverstone TJ-08e. see my sig for what fits.
Full atx look for that two or better front intake fan arrangement.

9. a tip:
Buy a #2 magnetic tip Philips head screwdriver for assembly.

Thank you so much! This was incredibly helpful to me. I think your right about the HDD, I could just spend that money on the 500GB SDD and not have to worry about it. Upon your recommendation, I wont plan for SPI setup anymore. Also I'll definitely be looking into the cooler and case you recommended, as well as double checking things on PC part picker like Kman222 said. You guys are the best

geofelt · Dec 11, 2016

If you go for the Silverstone TJ-08e pr PS-07 which is similar, realize that they are compact cases.
They take M-ATX format motherboards.
Looking at the options, I might suggest a newcomer, supermicro which has good reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182978

The cases handle full sized coolers and graphics cards, so no issue there.
On the psu, they have a limit of 160mm long
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=303

The rm750 is longer, but the rm650 is fine at 160mm long.
650w is more than enough for any single modern graphics graphics card including the TITANXp.
With mfg tech going even smaller, I doubt if there will ever be a new card that needs 650w again.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817139143

If you want a more compact tier 1 unit, look at the Seasonic 750w snow silent platinum unit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151154
Here is one tier quality list for other options
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
You are looking for units 160mm long or 6,1" long.
The only real value in gold/silver/platinum ratings is the possibility of quieter operation because the cooling fan will not need to run.
The instructions on my Seasonic X750 tell me not to worry if it never runs.

Havokinthesnow · Dec 11, 2016

geofelt :

So this is my current pc part picker list. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7HYrqk (I typed this cause it was on my phone and I'm back on my pc now, lemme know if it doesn't work for you it worked for me. ) Since spacing isn't a huge issue for me I was just going to go for the ATX style motherboards and cases. I believe this case
Cooler Master MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jcH48d/cooler-master-masterbox-5-black-atx-mid-tower-case-mcx-b5s1-kwnn-11 has the fans slots you were talking about so I wanted to get that one or this case here: Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-01 RED LED Black ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case ATX (not included) Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139041&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Cases+%28Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form%29-_-N82E16811139041&gclid=CjwKEAiAj7TCBRCp2Z22ue-zrj4SJACG7SBEFaLjmgQRrQ3vgjt8NhPi-hKlojWV02vmkfZf9jVJpxoCiNjw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds I might upgrade it to the SPEC-02 or 03 since they come with a rear fan as well. I just noticed that and updated this post, you can see links to those here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139043 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139040 Also I was wondering since I saw them on pc part picker if I would need a wired/wireless network adapter or if the motherboard would be able to do that for me already? I may use the fans you recommended over the ones I have on my partpicker list but I was also wondering if I'd need a controller. Lastly I was wondering what you guys thought of upgrading to the mother board to the Asus z710-A ATX https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q9Gj4D/asus-motherboard-z170a I ask because it was listed as the most popular and its only like $40 bucks more. *****Also when I choose this motherboard the compatibility check tells me "The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with a SATA Express port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA Express port is disabled." instead of saying "The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6Gb/s ports are disabled." Do I need these ports freed up for something? ***** Wait I fixed this buy changing my memory to Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FrH48d/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e500bam This is pretty much the final check before I actually go an buy thanks a TON guys.

geofelt · Dec 11, 2016

Some comments on your list:

1. The masterbox 5 will work fine.
As would the carbide spec01,2,3.
One caveat on the carbide cases is that the cpu cooler height available is very close to the height of the hyper212 159mm.
2. I would buy the cryorig H7 instead regardless,
It is similarly priced, more compact at 145mm and has an easier mounting system.

3. On the fans, if a case supports 140mm as intakes, that is what I would use. 140mm fans push more air at lower rpm which will be quieter.

4. A m.2 500gb Samsung evo will work.
But, a conventional 500gb Samsung evo will perform exactly the same and is more flexible as to mounting(not under the graphics card)
It is the 950 pro pcie ssd that has the fast transfer rate but it is more expensive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAZU55C0976&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Solid+State+Disk-_-9SIAAZU55C0976&gclid=CNT3isu87dACFdQ7gQodWmgN1w&gclsrc=aw.ds

I think it is not particularly worth it.

5. No need for an added Ethernet card, all motherboards will have an integrated adapter.

6. If you will connect to the internet via wifi(Ethernet is faster) then an adapter like you linked is appropriate.

Havokinthesnow · Dec 11, 2016

geofelt :

Thanks again

very lastly could you make me a recommendation on my motherboard? I'm beginning to feel like I'm stressing way more about it than i should. I'm Looking at the Asus and The AsRock I linked before as well as the AsRock Extreme6 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157631&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink2-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=8167422&SID=iwlf3wvk5z0035wt00053 , the ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012D7GXNK?tag=bom_tomshardware-20&ascsubtag=site:thus|tid:148150720571985 , and the Gigabyte Z170X-Ultra Gaming https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-LGA1151-Motherboard-GA-Z170X-Ultra-Gaming/dp/B01H74VKKK/?tag=bom_tomshardware-20&ascsubtag=site:thus|tid:148150720524599 The last two are on the toms best motherboards list.

geofelt · Dec 11, 2016

From a specs point of view, virtually any Z170 motherboard will worl.
It is hard to evaluate from reviews.
Those with problems will report, satisfied customers will not.
I look for the reviews from verified buyers that have real issues and not simply user error.
Asus, Gigabyte, Msi and Asrock are the big sellers.
I might do some research on supermicro has specialized in the past on server motherboards.

look for the service forums to see which seem to be the most helpful.

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