looking for water cooling for corsair 460x case (400c) or best air cooler.

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ive never done water cooling.
temps are peaking 90s and want to drop it down to continue overclocking.
currently running be quiet shadow rock slim (mind i have the ripjaws v ddr4 raised heat sinks and may not have clearance for all coolers) i may be getting new ddr4, most likely corsairs led's 2x8s that could change clearance issue
the noctua nh-d15 seems 'cool' but will have to look into clearance.
any other extreme air coolers?
and generally speaking what would be the temp difference between h100i v2 versus air cooler at same price point?


anyone here have the 460x case that has installed the radiator up on top?
if not.. would mounting in front and recirculating the exhaust inside be a big draw back?

my case fan set up:
3 exhaust: 1 rear, 2 top
3 intake: 3 front

psu not affected as its in a shroud, draws from bottom and exhausts back

shot of case: http://imgur.com/a/Lyckf
zoom: http://imgur.com/a/RaLEO


**UPDATE: I've looked into Corsair's H100i v2 and after a review made from a customer.. it doesnt look good. also convinced its very loud at high fan speed. Radiator depth 30mm

also have a few that caught my eye but at this point i wouldnt know until someone tells me how it worked for them...

Thermaltake 3.0 CL-W107-PL12SW-A 2x120s radiator depth 27mm

and at the moment im looking at Swiftech H220 x2 with radiator depth of 28mm.

 
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Swiftech H220 is great. The only downside is the pump+res mount that prevent mounting fans on other/both sides. May also be a problem with clearance.
Ooh, and the cables.
While H220 being top performer, IMHO the EK Predator is more convenient and elegant. But it is 295mm long.
You can also have a look at Alphacool. They are also customizeable and expandable. (Or Fractal Design Kelvin also made by Alphacool if you can find them in NA).
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The Noctua NH-D15 performs similar to 240mm radiator coolers, and for a lower/similar price, and obviously no risk in killing your GPU etc with it being an air cooler. Your case allows a CPU cooler of 170mm height, and the NH-D15 is 165mm, so you have the room to install that cooler inside your case.

 
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still need help..
are there any brackets that could allow different mounting holes for radiator+fan?
it looks like a very tight fit against the ram...just need a small shift away from the mobo and its good..
 
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Do you mean above the RAM?

If so, then unless your RAM is low profile then it may cause issues.

If you want a 240mm Water cooling system, then there's the NZXT Kraken x61 that is a highly recommended one, but obviously it is prone to leak.
 
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yeah it'll hit the tapered part of the ram heatsink.
so im looking down from the top of the case and lining up the edge of the fan ..its able to clear the end of the ram but not the top where it tapers.. its just so close.. just a few mm
 
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yeah im still considering air coolers. are there other coolers in that range?
 
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Not in that range, but some that are half the price and almost similar on performance, probably a few degrees higher than the noctua. Such as the Cryorig H7 (And other similar ones) and the Hyper 212 etc.
 
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hmm so is the d15 absolute best aircooler available?


 
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it supposed to fit on top no problem.
in front, it's a bit of a problem with long GPU like you have.
to get 10C cooler than what ?
in order to have it, you need advanced setup and probably delid your CPU and apply liquid metal instead of crap used by intel in 4th gen.
 
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yeah ud figured the manufacturer who makes ram and aio would make a case that compliments their own..
this is where ROG has it right. but anyways i got no clue what the coolers look like and how they are setup to be fastened .
i planned to get the vengeance leds but thats not gonna work without shifting the rad to the side
 
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OK I think I may have a way to make room.
ive measured and should be safe for 280mm/130mm/70+mm
Im hoping it would be ok to mount it this way..
im leaning towards the swiftech h220 x2
now theres the h220 x2 prestige that comes with better fittings and in chrome and fan upgrade. price difference $90 CAD not sure if thats worth getting..
im havent made up my mind yet but ive basically chosen this because it can be expanded or modified.
any comments will be great!

I've circled the new mount:
http://imgur.com/a/lYT5z
 
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Swiftech H220 is great. The only downside is the pump+res mount that prevent mounting fans on other/both sides. May also be a problem with clearance.
Ooh, and the cables.
While H220 being top performer, IMHO the EK Predator is more convenient and elegant. But it is 295mm long.
You can also have a look at Alphacool. They are also customizeable and expandable. (Or Fractal Design Kelvin also made by Alphacool if you can find them in NA).
 
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yea i noticed that the fan and rad comes out of the box assembled.umm how much of an increase in temperature drop would it be with push/pull on that specific radiator? if i remember right its a 14FPI. Also, and this is just my thought from all the researching, with a push/pull config you could run lower fan speed and still have maintain cooling performance with the benefit of lower acoustics?
as for the Predator.. im gonna have to say.. it doesnt look appealing to me. but i made note of the fans, for now im going with my corsair RGB's =)

ill take a look at alphacool. .but if u have a specific model thatll be great.
if theres anything else i should know or think about let me know.
i might actually pick it up tomorrow
ill need to watch some videos about water cooling but i assume these kits are ready to plug and forget
 
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this is alphacool: http://www.alphacool.com/shop/sets-und-systems/eisbaer/20225/alphacool-eisbaer-240-cpu-black (you can switch to EN on top right).
Honestly, corsair's fans are crap (not sure about new ML) :) there are two fans that do the job:
1. Noctua NF-F NF-P
2. Gentle typhoon
The push/pull is seriously overrated. while it can lower the temp by 1-3C and can allow to run the fans slower, you don't need it.
here is an example: https://goo.gl/photos/MTocJ3iSQnsbivgQ7
overclocked i7-4470K + overclocked GTX 1070 (with power mod) = ~350watt under stress load. A couple of NF-P12 at up to 1350RPM are doing the job.
During gaming, they are around 950-1000RPM which is very quite and inaudible. the temps are ~50C for CPU and ~40C for GPU under gaming.
At idle/desktop, fans around 750-800RPM and are inaudible at all. and the temps are close to ambient.
And note that all this in mini ITX case.
 
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Ha well the fans I already have and they are RGB, if they dont as good as i wanted then ill address it then.
So what is it about corsairs fans that make them crap?
the sp120 specs:
Airflow
52 CFM
Static Pressure
1.45 mmH20
Sound Level
26 dBA
Speed
1400 +/- 10%

yeah from the looks of it.. those numbers are average considering the db's
i have a question though.
when im at the store.. is there anything i should get to prep?
also.. i havent decided on the color i want in it. initially i wanted a uv glow. but maybe i should wait after its installed to get a better picture.. i do have quite a bit of RGBs.

the more i think about the idea of water cooling the more i want to actually pick out the parts myself and build it lol

 
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The "crap" does not mean they are bad. They are just not the best. They are very aggressively marketed and thus overrated by many people.
I have a couple of SP120 fans at home and my conclusions of comparing them with Noctua NF-P12 (NF-F12 do about the same job) are:
1. Noctua runs much quieter at same RPM
2. Noctua move more air/provide lower temps at the same RPM
3. Noctua last longer
They also consume less power but who cares.
The advantages of Corsair's fans are: they look better.
I'm not really into "color" things. Performance is always a priority over look. I'd get a separate LED/RGB/UV strips. Fans are supposed to move air not be shinny/glowing thing :)
Also, as you can guess, I'm all in for custom liquid cooling loops :)
And I'm sorry, but I did not understand your "in store" question.
 
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yeah i know its aio
i just wanna know how much extra things i can do with it
iono why the price difference for the regular x2 and the prestige is $90 lol
the lok fittings :http://www.ncix.com/detail/swiftech-3-8in-x-1-2in-lok-seal-9c-101958.htm?promoid=1294
whats the difference in the fittings?
i might order this since its only 5bux.
im thinking of doing some hard tube esthetics rather than using the included tube in the 'AIO'
is there a list i should follow?
or just get the best fittings and tubes? also need a bending kit i suppose
 
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