why is intel so much better than amd

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The trouble is that while amd and intel both make cpu's they have very different approaches. You can't directly compare core count or clock speed between them because it will never make sense in terms of the actual performance. As others have mentioned intel currently has the upper hand on ipc (instructions per clock). Cpu speed is measured in clock speed, how many times the processing clocks cycle in a given time frame. Intel's architecture allows it to process more data per clock cycle. So now it's like asking which gets the job done better, carrying a gallon of water from point A to point B in 3min or carrying 2 gallons of water from point A to point B in 5min?

Benchmarks help because it removes the confusion. For those who say but...

xFeaRDom

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Because the cores on the Intel Processors are much more efficient and stronger in general, yet the AMD processors go for weaker cores and less efficient cores.

It happened a while ago when AMD went for more cores more threads but weaker, and Intel went for less cores equal threads (not including HT) and stronger, and Intel ended up proving AMD wrong.

So Intel's Cores/Threads are much more efficient, stronger and faster compared to the AMD Cores/Threads.
 

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intel has the newer technologies , but it's not worth the money if your only purpose is gaming . from what i understand intel is more suited towards the desktop and server tasks than gaming ! you can unZip or unRar a file quicker with intel but what's the use ?! if you buy intel you can get dd4 and pci e 3 but they are not great improvements either . with AMD you can get to spend less on your cpu / motherboard and save up more for an nVidia card if you are an intel fan.
 


Sorry to be so blunt, you're misinformed.

Intel is definitely worth the money if you are gaming.

It's not, as has been proven, about cores for gaming. There are some games that do utilize more cores but currently, single threaded rules. And Intel's got better/faster threads. Also, AMD's current platform is end of life. The new AMD platform will require new motherboards, and just like Intel, DDR 4.
 

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Intel has a higher IPC (Instruction Per Clock) than what AMD offers, the only advantage that AMD has over Intel is physical core count and cost combined. The only time I would recommend someone to use AMD right now, is if they are planning to run heavily multi-threaded applications, or something like an ESXi host on the cheap. The FX8350 barely edges past an i5-4460 in heavily multi-threaded applications, but gets spanked in single-threaded applications.
The cost difference between the two is also rather significant.

The only downside to Intel Consumer line to me is the lack of ECC support, which AMD processors fully support as long as the motherboard does as well in the BIOS.
 

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Pretty much everything you said is incorrect. AMD FX processors require more expensive motherboards because AMD FX processors require a ton of power. A FX-8350 + motherboard that doesn't actually throttle due to weak VRMs costs close to an i5-6400 + H110 motherboard.

In most games an i3-6100 beats out a FX-8350. An i5-6400 beats out the FX-8350 in almost everything. In fact, the one category where the FX-8350 excels in is WinRAR and 7zip.

Finally, @OP, I'm not sure why you keep down voting anyone that gives you the reason why AMD processors are a poor choice at the moment (Zen might change things). Also, where did you come up with $150 for an i3-6100? It costs $110 right now.
 

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FX8350 = $150
ASUS M5A99FX Pro R2.0 = $130
$280

Cheapest H110 on Newegg = $50
i5-6400 = $182
$232

Lacking a lot of things comparing those two boards though IMO. Could tack a good bit more onto the Intel side for a mobo and have a far better experience, unless you rather save that $48.
 

Barty1884

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Essentially because Intel have been making small, incremental improvements over their past couple of generations - with AMD sticking to releasing overclocked versions of their prior CPUs. Therefore Intel got more efficient & stronger per core (and a little lazy, as AMD weren't offering 'true' competition), where AMD thought the GHz wars were still going strong.

Zen should bring AMD up to speed (or a lot closer, probably Haswell-esque), and it's now on them to keep moving forward with improvements.

Unless AMD bring something worthwhile to the table, it kind of gives Intel the monopoly and allows them to be a little lazy too.

Competition is what we need.
 
The trouble is that while amd and intel both make cpu's they have very different approaches. You can't directly compare core count or clock speed between them because it will never make sense in terms of the actual performance. As others have mentioned intel currently has the upper hand on ipc (instructions per clock). Cpu speed is measured in clock speed, how many times the processing clocks cycle in a given time frame. Intel's architecture allows it to process more data per clock cycle. So now it's like asking which gets the job done better, carrying a gallon of water from point A to point B in 3min or carrying 2 gallons of water from point A to point B in 5min?

Benchmarks help because it removes the confusion. For those who say but amd has more cores or amd has higher clock speeds, how is this possible? Rather than try to dissect the workings under the hood unless it's a hobby or interesting for the sake of it, it's much easier to look at benchmarks for applications someone may actually use. Video editing or gaming or whatever the case may be. Then it doesn't matter how many cores, clock speeds etc, someone can say ok amd xyz vs intel xyz, these are the price points and here is how well each did in programs I'll use.

JimmyEatWord got it a bit backwards. Intel consistently tops the gaming performance charts. Intel cpu's in similar price ranges tend to perform equal or slightly better, to say amd is cheaper no, it's really not. An 8 core amd is cheaper than an 8 core intel but that's because of amd's horrid performance. They have no choice, if their 8 cores matched intel's, they could sell for the same price. This goes back to not paying attention to core count or clock speed but what performance the various cpu's actually bring to the table. That's what they're priced at. As for intel being good at zipping/unzipping, who cares etc, that would be amd. The one benchmark where amd exceeds intel is in zipping/unzipping.

As Barty1884 pointed out, zen should be here soon. It's a chance for amd to play catch-up, they've understood their weaker ipc is an issue. They've realized that the module design consisting of 2 processing cores with a lot of shared front end resources is a poor design that doesn't work in most real world scenarios. Compared to intel's architecture where each processing core has its own resources. That's what zen has done, they've gone back to a linear approach where each core gets its own resources. They've cut back clock speeds and focused instead on ipc. It's also a chance for them to catch up in terms of using ddr4, usb-c, m.2 and a variety of other tech their outdated am3+ platform didn't have.

If looking at gaming performance, most games heavily rely on 1 or 2 threads. Even if they're multithreaded and an 8c/8t or 4c/8t or 8c/16t cpu shows a little activity across all cores/threads, often times most of the activity is on just a couple cores. That means much of the 8 threads the amd fx 8xxx offers do very little work and much of the heavy lifting falls on a couple of weaker ipc cores. The i3 on the other hand has 2 high ipc cores to work with and competes quite well. In some cases there will be a bit of stuttering on an i3 because it lacks 4 true cores. It depends on the game since not all games are the same.

The i3 6300 represents rather poor value at around $150 since the i3 6100 is around $35-40 less and only 100mhz slower. It doesn't mean all intel cpu's are overpriced or poor value, it just means there are better options for the money. Just like the fx 9590 is extremely poor value at $200 when the fx 8350 is $145. The 9590 will require decent water cooling like an h100i, the 8350 won't. The 9590 will require a more expensive motherboard with the power delivery, vrm and cooling for the vrm in order to handle it, it takes a stronger power supply etc. After investing all that, performance gains over an 8350 or minimal and you could have put together an i7 system (for which amd has no equivalent) and still saved money.

Long story short zen is amd's attempt to correct their mistakes and get back up to speed. Intel has done this in the past as well when their p4 prescott chips used a 31 stage pipeline that caused a lot of headaches. P4 northwoods and willamettes only used 20 stages, if the cpu had to reprocess data shorter pipelines made for a faster recovery. Both have made poor decisions, intel has more resources and is capable of making corrections sooner.
 
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