GPU Recommendation Based on Current Specs?

The White Knight

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I have an HP Pavilion Elite H8-1050 with an AMD Radeon HD 6850. The gpu is freezing up mid game and sometimes the driver will stop responding then recover during regular use. This has been going on for months but the card hasn't crapped out yet. I've tried reinstalling drivers and every other fix including reinstalling Win10 to no avail.

I wanna swap the card to the best Nvidia I can get while not requiring a psu upgrade according to this list:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Processor: Intel Core i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40 GHz
RAM: 10 GB
System: Win10 64 Bit
PSU: Stock 460W HP PCA246
Mobo: PEGATRON CORPORATION 2AB5

This is my surveillance comp and i'll be using it exclusively for CSGO and will need the be able to run a 144hz monitor.

I do NOT want AMD as I've lost faith in their long term durability.
 
Solution
HD6850 TDP = 127W, GTX 1060 TDP is 120W. Even exchange so same PSU.

I've run HP i7-920 (130W vs i7-2600 at 95W) systems with the 460W PSU with HD 5850 (151W) and GTX 260 cards (182), no problems. Currently running a GTX 960 in one of them --> the 460W unit has some headroom. I think you can run GTX 1070 if you want @ 150W no problem. You will use power adapters to get the 8 pin or 2nd 6 pin if the card needs it. Likely you can run the GTX 1080 at 180W too.

NOTE: HP cases get hot, or at least the five I am running now do. The longevity issue you have with the 6850 (from 2010 ?) could be from heat as much as anything. Heat kill electronics. When I moved my 7850 from the i7-920 HP system to a case with good airflow the card...
HD6850 TDP = 127W, GTX 1060 TDP is 120W. Even exchange so same PSU.

I've run HP i7-920 (130W vs i7-2600 at 95W) systems with the 460W PSU with HD 5850 (151W) and GTX 260 cards (182), no problems. Currently running a GTX 960 in one of them --> the 460W unit has some headroom. I think you can run GTX 1070 if you want @ 150W no problem. You will use power adapters to get the 8 pin or 2nd 6 pin if the card needs it. Likely you can run the GTX 1080 at 180W too.

NOTE: HP cases get hot, or at least the five I am running now do. The longevity issue you have with the 6850 (from 2010 ?) could be from heat as much as anything. Heat kill electronics. When I moved my 7850 from the i7-920 HP system to a case with good airflow the card temp dropped 20C and suddenly the card would overclock.
 
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Aside: Passmark is a good benchmark, but you should be using a gaming benchmark. I like this list because you can count tiers and know you need to move 3 tiers to really see a difference. UPDATE: forget the link. Here it is: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

Aside 2: gtx1060 vs hd 6850 : http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-HD-6850/3639vsm7743

gtx 1070 vs hd 6850 : http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1070-vs-AMD-HD-6850/3609vsm7743

You are going to be happy with either of these cards. The i7-2600 you have is still a good CPU. The HD6850 was slower than the 5850, and will be killed by a modern high end card.

update 2: final thoughts. When you switch from AMD to NVIDIA, uninstall all AMD graphics software then shutdown. Remove the old card remembering to release the catch at the far end of the PCIe slot that keeps the card from pulling straight up. It's a pain, look that the HP Motherboard picture on their website to see the catch, then look at your new video card to see how it hooks in. Touch the outside metal on the power supply often while working inside the case especially in winter to discharge static. If your card needs a connector that your 460W PSU does not have there are $5 adapters on amazon. Order the adapter when you order your new card. Likely you will have plenty of free 4 pin (molex) connectors on that PSU. Here is a sample connector, you should figure out which free connectors you have and which connector you want and order that, not this. https://www.amazon.com/Link-Depot-Express-Adapter-Inches/dp/B000JWTIKC/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1482026816&sr=8-13&keywords=4+pin+++molex+to+6+pin+pcie
 

The White Knight

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@tsnor yeah I actually have the panel off and I notice more problems in the summer than winter. I feel like nvidia cards are more reliable in extreme temperatures from my personal experience.

I won't go for the 1080 for the simple fact that it's overkill for an aging system and will opt for it or its successor in my upcoming build.

Will the 1060 and 1070 fit in the HP Elite case? Is the mobo connector compatible? I could have swore I was told I couldn't use these newer cards with my aging board.

How much of running a game at 144hz with a high frame rate is GPU vs monitor dependent? I mean I know the monitor has to be able to support it but if so can any gpu operate at that speed?

I'm leaning toward the 1060 but how much better performance will I lose out on with the 1070 specifically for CSGO?

The 6850 is already using a 6pin connector so I guess I won't need the adapter then?
 


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"Will the 1060 and 1070 fit in the HP Elite case? Is the mobo connector compatible?" The newer cards are shorter than the old ones. Length will not be a problem. The other dimensions are architected and will fit. In one HP case I removed a brace that was designed to hold a specific video card in place so the video card PCB wouldn't crack during shipment.

PCIe sockets are really nice. The card and the MB negotiate to the best they can both do. If you plug a newer card running gen3 PCIe in a gen2 pcie socket they run at gen2 no problem. Since you are using a x16 (16 different data paths) you have 2X the paths of a 8X socket, and an 8x socket runs a modern GPU just fine. Net: you will run fine with the new card in your old MB. (aside, you can also plug an x1 board into an 4x socket, they figure out they are only using one path and it all works, likewise you can put a x16 card in a x8 or x4 socket, that works too.)

But proof is nice to have. I've put modern cards ( two gtx 960, two hd7850, one gtx 760, one hd 5850, etc) into a collection of q6600 and i7-920 based HPs without ever hitting a problem, and those MB are a bit older than yours.)

"How much of running a game at 144hz with a high frame rate is GPU vs monitor dependent?" Hugely depends on the game. Fortunately between processor tests and GPU tests you can figure out the how fast your rig will go.

"I'm leaning toward the 1060 but how much better performance will I lose out on with the 1070 specifically for CSGO?" Look at Youtube videos of CSGO with 1060 and 1070, they will show framerates. Pay attention to the video quality settings they use and remember they were capturing the video on teh same system so their system load was a bit higher than yours will be.

"The 6850 is already using a 6pin connector so I guess I won't need the adapter" Does 1070 use one or two ? Think it depends. The 1060 should only need one.

Agree on the 1080 is too much $$ and muscle for 1080p. Think the 1060 will rock. Not sure why the 120 framerate target, but some people's eyes can see the difference -- I am comfortable at 60.
 

The White Knight

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Thanks I learned a lot! So as long as my monitor can support it the graphics card will support the higher frame rate assuming it will be enabled in game.

60hz is fine for sure in most cases but im a CSGO vet been playing since Half-Life 1 Platinum Pack before cs was even a mod yet so the extra edge of getting those extra subconscious subliminal frames is very appealing in a game where everything comes down to millisecond reaction times!

I spent the night choosing between EVGA and Gigabyte and while I was about to go EVGA Gigabte won me over with the PSU warning light indicator as I expect my PSU to die in the near future.

My only remaining concern are comments from others that play the game stating that the 1070 is more for 1080p 144hz or 1440p resolution which is what I was shooting for but I think I will have to settle for 144hz at 1080p instead despite plans to purchase a 1440p monitor. It's confusing deciding if 144hz is worth it if my fps drops as a result as I didn't realize the load 144hz plays on the card.

It makes sense that you would remove that brace/bracket for shipping but should I keep it installed with the new card assuming it will fit and hold the same?

Finally I saw that these gpu's are 8pin and already come with the adapter usually?

And yes I meant a PCIe 3.0 in a 2.0 slot that's exactly what I needed to know I learned a lot thank you!
 
"It makes sense that you would remove that brace/bracket for shipping but should I keep it installed with the new card assuming it will fit and hold the same?" for my PC I would have reinstalled it if I could have figured out a way to do so. It connected via rubber pad to the case of the HP video card, and my new card wasn't long enough for the brace to help.

"Finally I saw that these gpu's are 8pin and already come with the adapter usually?" See what the adapter does. A "two 6-pin to one 8-pin" is not going to help you since you do not have two 6 pins. If the adapter is a 6-pin to 8-pin then you are all set (but it's odd they would do that.) If the included adapter does not work for you and you need 8 pins look for something like this assuming you have 2 molex: https://www.amazon.com/Molex-PCI-E-Power-Cable-Graphic/dp/B00KTXSL22/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1482190242&sr=8-2&keywords=molex+to+8+pin#customerReviews

update: to be sure, did you decide to go for the 120W gtx 1060? They come is at least three configs, single 6 pin, single 8-pin and dual 6-pin so pick your specific board then check what it needs.
 

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I'm going with the 1060 which requires a single 8pin but I'm still worried about the adapter for my stock PCA246 PSU. I know that usually if you have to use adapters then it's a sign that it's time to upgrade the PSU but i've also seen a lot of people get away with adapters. I surely don't want a fire or to short out anything. These are the only options my PSU offers:

24-Pin ATX Motherboard Power Connector (1)

Serial ATA (SATA) Connector (6)

4 Pin ATX +12V Power Connector (1)

6-Pin PCI-E Power Connector (1)

There are no molex connectors for the adapter you recommended and I'm not confident with a 6 to 8pin even though I hear it works I also heard that it would only deliver 75w per 6pin instead of the full 150 a 2 6pin to 8pin would offer.

What's the best solution other than changing the PSU?
 
Go with a 6 --> 8 StarTech PCI Express 6 pin to 8 pin Power Adapter Cable https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-Express-Power-Adapter-PCIEX68ADAP/dp/B001TK3TJY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1482413171&sr=8-3&keywords=6pin+to+8pin

Specs allow you to pull 60-75W from the MB and up to 150W from the 8-pin. But your card only draws 120W total. I don't like 6pin to 8pin because they send more current through the 12V pins that was originally allowed. I believe the connector spec has been updated to allow more current. You are pulling so much less current than the connector allows that your card really could have just used a 6-pin. Around the time your card was designed AMD was getting in trouble for pulling more than 75W from a 6-pin, so some card builders used two 6-pins or an 8 on everything. I'g guess without the AMD mess that your card would only have a 6-pin connector.

Update, it's not the wattage the adapter delviers that people worry about. The full wattage of the power supply (or PSU rail) is available to every connector. The specs are designed to limit the current through the connection. Thus more pins = same load going through more pins = less current through any given connection. That why you used two 4-pins to make a single 6-pin or 8-pin.

Good Luck, I will be off the air for about a week. Enjoy the holidays.
 

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So I just installed a 1060 which required the removal of the rubber grabber portion of the bracket, and bending and breaking a couple of the metal case tabs attached to the upper cd drive cage so it will fit.

Thankfully it did but when I went to boot I got stuck at the HP splash screen which follows with 1 beep then 3 beeps with the 3rd being a bit longer. I put the 6850 back in and it launches fine.

Were you not aware that the Pegatron 2AB5 motherboards aren't compatible with these newer cards? I just wasted a lot of time and money and now I either have to upgrade the mobo or send it back. There are no additional updates to the bios that I can find and it seems many people have had this problem with this mobo. Am I screwed?

Motherboard

Manufacturer PEGATRON CORPORATION
Model 2AB5 (CPU 1)
Version 1.01
Chipset Vendor Intel
Chipset Model Sandy Bridge
Chipset Revision 09
Southbridge Vendor Intel
Southbridge Model H67
Southbridge Revision B3
System Temperature 96 °F
BIOS
Brand AMI
Version 7.12
Date 10/12/2011
Voltage
VIN0 1.664 V
MEMORY CONTROLLER 1.648 V
VIN2 1.632 V
PCI Data
Slot PCI-E
Slot Type PCI-E
Slot Usage In Use
Data lanes x16
Slot Designation J6B2
Characteristics 3.3V, Shared, PME
Slot Number 0
 


"Were you not aware that the Pegatron 2AB5 motherboards aren't compatible with these newer cards? " No, I was not. Did not even think to ask what MB you had or to google it because I have had no problems. Sorry your time and money is wasted.
 

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I've accepted the situation and went ahead and upgraded the mobo and CPU with an LGA1150 socket which will allow me to still use my Hynex DD3 RAM. I was shocked that the 1155 boards were even more expensive than newer ones and found a great deal at my local micro center for a 4790k and scored a GA-B85M-DS3H-A on Amazon for $50.

Really this is what I get for still owning mainstream system but I originally got it for such a great price. All my other builds are custom and I have learned a valuable lesson from this. Regardless of the steal I got it for the value of choosing each individual component is more important in the long run. I ended up spending about $350 more than intended but I'm still surprised that no one has created a modded bios or some kind of work around when technically as you said the PCI lane is there and hardware wise it should have worked but the bios is so outdated it didn't even have secure boot or legacy mode options.

Any advice you can give on the uninstallation of chipset drivers or any other drivers that should be done along with the GPU for the CPU+MOBO+GPU swap would be appreciated.

After this system bites the dust I'm officially done with HP for as long as I live. No hard feelings!