Help me make a new(ish) build.

gogman25

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Hello and happy Christmas!

So the time has come, or the time is coming I should say, to push my PC further into Frankenstein territories and pray to god it doesn't combust.

Here's what will be carried over into my new PC, as such, components will have to be built around them.
Hey ladies and gents, it's that time!

TOTAL BUDGET: £1000 IDEAL - £1200 IN A PUSH.
USAGE: GAMING - UNIVERSITY WORK (Not intensive, primarily word at best.)
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What we have

AMD-FX 9590 4.7Ghz 8-core. Very beefy CPU, but has a huge power demand and heat output of a Nuclear Power Plant.

Crosshair V Formula Z - The edgiest motherboard ever. Does the job splendidly

RAM - 16GB of overclocked ram for needless reasons.

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What we need

CASE

A case capable of sustaining a cooling system adequate for the 9590 and the rest of the system. Personal results have shown that the 9590 struggles with even the most powerful of fan-cooling systems. Many quote different results but I would argue against them on personal experience. As such, a powerful water-cooling system if only for the 9590 would be a borderline necessity. Adequate space for comfortable cable management and (whilst few don't do this) space for an optical drive is a must.

Strong cooling and fan control is a must.
Shiny LED lights for swagfactor preferable.

CPU Cooler

As mentioned above, the 9590 is atrocious to keep cool, and a closed water system would probably yield the best results. Obviously, said cooler will have to be AM3+ compatible and very, very powerful. Noise is relatively unimportant.

PSU

It's got to have the right sockets, it's got to have power to spare (obviously not a huge amount), and its got to be reliable.

GPU

I'll let you guys have a bit of free reign on this. Many here will be better able to judge where CPU and GPU will bottleneck each other. I'll simply allow you guys to draw this out of the overall budget.

STORAGE

Internal or external, I would love a system that had the capability of loading some of the more demanding video games out there comparatively quickly. At least a terabyte worth of space.

OS

I really, really like Windows 7 still because I'm scared.
I will consider a newer OS of course.

MONITOR

Good resolution and quality takes priority over size, although if my budget permits then I wouldn't mind it being larger by no means (hurr hurr)


If anyone could give me suggestions and recommendations that'd be amazing.
If anyone has a build that, without current parts, could top it, that too would be amazing.

Finally, should I just hold off and cut my losses due to the new AMD chipset coming out in (supposedly) Q1 of 2017?
 
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Any Windows 7 Pro key for that low is going to be an illegal redistribution of an OEM key, so I would not consider it. Windows 7 is pretty much done in my opinion. They'll keep doing security updates through the end of the decade, but no improvements. Despite all the bad press, you can disable most of the data mining features, and automatic updates, and even the general look of the OS with mods and registry hacks. Just a quick google and there are many many guides.

Most benchmarks show minor improvements in gaming performance with Windows 10. Also a few games that require DX12, which Windows 7 doesn't support, and some game publishers have already dropped support for Windows 7. Battlefield 1 is amongst them.

If you wanted to get a...

Eximo

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Would be a shame to let such hardware go to waste, but it will be a more expensive build because of it. You could build a similarly powerful lower power, quieter system from scratch with that budget.

I'll do both and let you compare.
 

gogman25

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Cheers Eximo. For what it's worth, I imagine that

-HyperX Fury 2x8gb 1866mhz RAM
-Optical drive of a make I can't remember at all
-2TB toshiba HDD

Would all be incorporated into the new build. I cannot think of a reason why not (save for incompatibility on the RAM, or lack of an optical drive tray).

Sadly, I know what you're saying is going to be true. Horribly, horribly depressing to think about.
If this is the case, then I can expand the budget by £100-£150 by selling on bits and pieces of my existing build.
 

Eximo

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AMD worked out a little better storage wise. You can also push the budget on the Intel or AMD build to get a GTX1070 or overclocking on the intel.

AMD:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor (Purchased For £0.00)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£85.47 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z ATX AM3+ Motherboard (Purchased For £0.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (Purchased For £0.00)
Storage: PNY CS1311 960GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£259.29 @ BT Shop)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING X Video Card (£285.98 @ YoYoTech)
Case: Corsair 760T Black V2 ATX Full Tower Case (£159.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSD1 DVD/CD Writer (£15.86 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit (£83.76 @ More Computers)
Case Fan: Corsair SP140 49.5 CFM 140mm Fan (£10.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case Fan: Corsair SP140 49.5 CFM 140mm Fan (£10.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case Fan: Corsair SP140 49.5 CFM 140mm Fan (£10.49 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1011.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-23 19:43 GMT+0000

Intel:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£184.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI H170 Gaming M3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£88.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£89.98 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£87.42 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£44.98 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING X Video Card (£285.98 @ YoYoTech)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case (£59.45 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£70.40 @ Alza)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSD1 DVD/CD Writer (£15.86 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit (£83.76 @ More Computers)
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 57.2 CFM 120mm Fans (£14.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 57.2 CFM 120mm Fans (£14.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 57.2 CFM 120mm Fans (£14.99 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1083.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-23 19:41 GMT+0000
 

gogman25

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That's incredible Eximo, you know your stuff alright!

I have to ask though, with Windows 7 still not out of the picture by any means and Windows 7 pro keys available at as little as £10, I would be able to free up roughly £70 from both.

In the instance of the AMD build, I could also function on a substantially weaker SSD (around £100) and use my current HDD (after a complete wipe) as general storage for less intensive games, saving £150

Would use my current optical drive and HDD for the intel build, saving £45 + £15 = £60
This would free up £220 on the AMD build, and £130 on the Intel build

With this extra money, what improvements would you consider making to these two systems respectively?

With a 1070, would I be bottlenecked by the 9590 on the AMD build?

Assuming the build suggestions provided were carried out exactly, which would the overall better gaming rig? My knowledge around Intel is... sloppy.

Thank you!

 

Eximo

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Any Windows 7 Pro key for that low is going to be an illegal redistribution of an OEM key, so I would not consider it. Windows 7 is pretty much done in my opinion. They'll keep doing security updates through the end of the decade, but no improvements. Despite all the bad press, you can disable most of the data mining features, and automatic updates, and even the general look of the OS with mods and registry hacks. Just a quick google and there are many many guides.

Most benchmarks show minor improvements in gaming performance with Windows 10. Also a few games that require DX12, which Windows 7 doesn't support, and some game publishers have already dropped support for Windows 7. Battlefield 1 is amongst them.

If you wanted to get a smaller SSD and use a hard drive, that would be fine. Optical drive is a minor price difference, I just included it so the case selections would have 5.25" bays.

The Intel rig would be superior. Even with the same GPU the minimum frame rate you would see would be much higher with the Intel chip. I originally did the Intel build with a i5-6600k and a Z170 motherboard, and that would be the only difference I would go with. Maybe the 1070, but that is pretty big price jump, well within the 1200 max though.

A GTX1070 is likely to be bottlenecked by an FX chip, however, it would still increase maximum FPS on many titles, or allow higher resolutions to be run. The FX would suffer in some games due to its low single core performance and you wouldn't be using the GPU to its fullest all the time in all games.
 
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