Gaming/Production systems upgrade plan. Options?

XTREEMMAK

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Jan 1, 2017
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Hi all,

I've browsed answers from this site for some time and with me now being on the fence on a system upgrade plan, I've decided to ask around for possibly my best options.

To start, this is the system I have now...its pretty damn old, but I've been using it for most recent gaming and light video production for some time:
Old Gaming Build:
Motherboard: Sabertooth 990FX
Processor: AMD FX 8150 3.5GHz (not overclocked)
RAM: 16GB DDR3 (up to 32GB)
Graphics Card: EVGA GTX 670
HDD: 128GB SSD drive (for OS) + 2TB 7200RPM Platter Drive
Case: Thermaltake Dokker
Other IO: BLUERAY Disk Drive

Old Production Build:
Apple Mac Pro "Quad Core" 2.66 (2009/Nehalem)
Upgraded RAM to 16GB with about 3 platter drives in there, standard OS install, no SSD...stuck on Snow Leopard. I mainly use this system for music production. At the time, it was the most stable option I had.
The reason I mentioned the MAC will become clear in a minute

Originally I was planning on upgrading the systems individually and getting rid of MAC all together for another Win10 system (no under powered trash can for me thanks, and nice of you to royally screw the upgrade plan for creatives Apple :/), but now I'm considering just making a massive system for both gaming and production. If I need to use the system in two rooms, then I'm sure there is a KVM option I can take advantage of.

Here were the two prospect builds if I went with two individual systems:
Gaming Unit:
Motherboard: GIGABYTE G1 Gaming GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400
GPU: EVGA GTX 1070 FTW (already owned now)
Storage: Intel SSD 600p Series (256GB, M.2 2280) for OS, while using the existing 2TB Platter drive for storage, as well as the old SSD from above as a 128GB cache drive for the platter drive.
Case: Phanteks ENTHOO EVOLV PH-ES515ETG_BK
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 P2 220-P2-0850-X1 80+ PLATINUM 850W

Production Unit:
Motherboard: SUPERMICRO MBD-X10DRI Extended ATX Server Motherboard
CPU: Dual Intel Xeon E5-2620 v3 Haswell 2.4 GHz LGA 2011-3
RAM: Crucial Sdram Memory Module 32 Gb [1 * 32 Gb] Ddr4 Sdram 2133 Mhz ECC
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW
Storage: Intel SSD 600p Series (256GB M.2) + Existing drives
Case: Phanteks ENTHOO EVOLV PH-ES515ETG_AG Anthracite Grey
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G2 120-G2-1000-XR 80+ GOLD 1000W

As a note, I tend to leave my systems running 24/7 so they need to be robust.

Those were the two prospects, but now I'm considering just condensing both systems into one massive build instead! The Dual Xeon will be necessary for the video and audio editing perks, and other stats like massive amounts of RAM wouldn't benefit gaming as much, but for audio where I need to load massive amounts of samples into RAM, its really necessary, hence also the importance of ECC RAM as well. Not too thrilled about the energy footprint that will result in the dual Xeon's, but if its overall efficient to go with a single system with KVM instead, hell lets do it.

One question I have then is gaming performance of the dual Xeons vs the i7-6700K since the duals are Haswell and the i7 Skylake. Even though (I think) the i7 would give better single core performance, is that out the window when you're considering two Xeon's at this point? I've already seen how well the duals perform on a Cinibench benchmark and its....wow. I just don't want to end up hindering gaming performance for having the dual Xeon's.

Thoughts or suggestions?

 

kanewolf

Titan
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You want 8 DIMMs for optimum performance with a dual socket Xeon motherboard. A single 32GB DIMM is horrible.
You need to look at benchmarks and decide if a pair of E5-2623 v3 (about the same cost) with fewer cores but 600Mhz / core more clock speed might get more work done...
 

XTREEMMAK

Commendable
Jan 1, 2017
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1,510
I question your single 32GB DIMM comment as I'm curious. Its DDR4 at 2133Mhz ECC. What's not to like? I don't have the exact timing spec, but it does list Cas Latency being at 15.

I'll do what you said and check for those benchmarks.
 

kanewolf

Titan
Moderator


Each CPU has 4 memory channels. That means you want 8 DIMMs accessible for MAXIMUM bandwidth to the CPUs. If you put a single DIMM, then CPU2 has to interrupt CPU1 for every memory access because all the memory is only on CPU1's address lines.
 

XTREEMMAK

Commendable
Jan 1, 2017
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1,510
Gotcha. I just looked it up and you are correct sir; makes a lot of sense. I guess it would only make sense to go with a single stick like that if I was getting eight of them outright...

So the only answer left is to figure out the cpu performances. I may have vaguely remember seeing that if a game is not optimized to use two cpu's then the game essentially wont share the load?
 

XTREEMMAK

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Jan 1, 2017
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Ended up changing the setup around.

The Xeons pose no benefit for rendering when coupled with a really good GPU and past 6 cores. In fact, it hinders you for having so many (at least where Adobe is concerned: Linus video). So for production and gaming, I'm opting for 64GB DDR4 3000 Quad Channel Memory on an X99 platform with an I7-6800K driving it. And yes, I know about the 5820k which is similar but on a Haswel architecture and with better OCing, but given my inexperience with OCing, and the fact that I don't plan on going above 4.1Ghz, I'd rather the processor with better thermals and better memory management, even if in some cases its marginal.

The 6700k isn't really an option anymore due to the fact I need more memory scale potential since this is an audio studio system as well which takes into consideration high RAM requirement, and the additional cores due aid in rendering for both audio and video. I realize that this also means that I'll no longer be using ECC RAM, but after reading a couple of articles, the 0.3% chance of error in my use-case is pretty negligible.