Samsung Magician 5.0.0 and Samsung EVO - Not tweaking options

Hi, Carolin4,

I was also about to start a thread about the same topic until I found yours.
The version of Magician that you were using was probably 4.9.7 before you reinstalled Windows. The new version of Magician (5.0) does not include the "OS Optimization" features and that is an expected behavior rather than a bug, I believe.

According to some researches I performed on the same subject, apparently (just apparently) the OS Optimizations suggested by Samsung Magician 4.x in Windows 10 were questionable in some aspects even for Microsoft engineers.

Please, check this link:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/hardware/commercialize/manufacture/desktop/hard-drives-and-partitions


The most important part is:

Solid-state drives
--------------------------------------------
A solid-state drive (SSD) is a hard drive that uses solid-state memory to store persistent data. An SSD must have a minimum of 16 gigabytes (GB) of space to install Windows. For more information about drive space and RAM considerations, see Compact OS, single-sourcing, and image optimization.

Note It's no longer necessary to run the Windows System Assessment Tests (WinSAT) on SSD drives. Windows now detects SSD drives and will tune itself accordingly.


So I am assuming that Samsung removed this "OS Optimization" in the new version of Magician intentionally, knowing that Windows 10 no longer needs it (according to that link).

One last thing:
As I had the same concern, I ran Performance Benchmarks on Magician 4.x where my system was tuned for "Maximum Performance" and on Magician 5 (with the lacking OS Optimizations features) and I got the same results so I am starting to believe that, in fact, we no don't need to change anything regarding "OS Optimizations".

Now I am also doing the same research about overprovisioning as that is another thing that is missing on Magician 5.
The fact that this can be easy done via PowerShell or Disk Manager is not the case for me but if it's worth it or not.

I found many people defending the idea that over provisioning is the way to go for maximized lifespan, including this link:
http://www.kingston.com/us/ssd/overprovisioning

My only concern is that the articles are from 2010, 2013 and as they are gone in Magician, I am also revisiting this topic.
I hope I have helped.

Hi BinaryDevotee

When you did your back to back comparison of 4 & 5 did you reset the tuning settings in 4 before you uninstalled it? I ask because the settings stay when Magician is uninstalled which might account for the same results when 5 was installed. I get far better results with 4 than with 5 (after resetting to default before uninstalling 4).

Cheers, John

Hi, John,

Sorry for being late with my reply.
I have performed the tests as I said, in fact, I have just finished running them, let me paste here the results:

This is the OS Optimization using Magician 4.9.7
https://snag.gy/UfL4Bp.jpg

Here is the Performance Benchmarks results using that configuration:
https://snag.gy/qUh0H3.jpg

And finally, here's the performance benchmark for Magician 5:
https://snag.gy/EPpb9T.jpg

I would like to make a few mentions, though:

- I have rebooted my laptop prior to both tests to make sure that they were as accurate as possible
- The first benchmark I performed was on Magician V5, which was installed on a OS that had no prior versions of any SSD tweaking software
- I was fairly unimpressed with the results because my drive used to perform better, however, I can't complain much knowing how I have treated this drive in the past (for instance, diskpart clean all and secure erasing it quite a few times for testing purposes)
- Both tests were run with RAPID mode enabled

My internal controller is SATA, not M.2 so I believe this is the best I can get nowadays.

Hi, Carolin4,

I was also about to start a thread about the same topic until I found yours.
The version of Magician that you were using was probably 4.9.7 before you reinstalled Windows. The new version of Magician (5.0) does not include the "OS Optimization" features and that is an expected behavior rather than a bug, I believe.

According to some researches I performed on the same subject, apparently (just apparently) the OS Optimizations suggested by Samsung Magician 4.x in Windows 10 were questionable in some aspects even for Microsoft engineers.

Please, check this link:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/hardware/commercialize/manufacture/desktop/hard-drives-and-partitions


The most important part is:

Solid-state drives
--------------------------------------------
A solid-state drive (SSD) is a hard drive that uses solid-state memory to store persistent data. An SSD must have a minimum of 16 gigabytes (GB) of space to install Windows. For more information about drive space and RAM considerations, see Compact OS, single-sourcing, and image optimization.

Note It's no longer necessary to run the Windows System Assessment Tests (WinSAT) on SSD drives. Windows now detects SSD drives and will tune itself accordingly.


So I am assuming that Samsung removed this "OS Optimization" in the new version of Magician intentionally, knowing that Windows 10 no longer needs it (according to that link).

One last thing:
As I had the same concern, I ran Performance Benchmarks on Magician 4.x where my system was tuned for "Maximum Performance" and on Magician 5 (with the lacking OS Optimizations features) and I got the same results so I am starting to believe that, in fact, we no don't need to change anything regarding "OS Optimizations".

Now I am also doing the same research about overprovisioning as that is another thing that is missing on Magician 5.
The fact that this can be easy done via PowerShell or Disk Manager is not the case for me but if it's worth it or not.

I found many people defending the idea that over provisioning is the way to go for maximized lifespan, including this link:
http://www.kingston.com/us/ssd/overprovisioning

My only concern is that the articles are from 2010, 2013 and as they are gone in Magician, I am also revisiting this topic.
I hope I have helped.

So, how would I got about removing the overprovisioning? would I have downgrade Samsung magician to 4.9.7, removing it and then updating magician again?

It just seems weird that they'd remove that function and then leave the 10% as unallocated space.

Go into Disk Management then right click on the formated partition then select "extend volume" to eliminate the unallocated space.