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Ghrark · Jan 9, 2017

So I'm looking at building a new gaming computer (i got my other one running quite well) but I am in need of a brand new computer. I am seeking some advice. I only really need a new mobo and cpu. Upon searching out different cpus (i am going back to an AMD build as I just can't afford and Intel build at this time). I have narrowed my choices down to 2 cpus. I have chosen the either the FX-8350 black edition cpu or the A10-7890K. They are both approximately the same price. My question is, if I buy the A10-7890K, do I need to buy a radeon R7? or is this one of those new cpus with gpus built-in? I really need to understand what this means. I don't want to give up my current graphics card as it's a Geforce GTX750Ti and it runs what i need it to for now. Just wanting to upgrade to a newer cpu setup. I'm really asking because I know the A10 is superior but I am trying to figure out if my geforce card will work with it or does it have the R7 built-in or if I need an ati radeon r7 video card

DJDeCiBeL · Jan 9, 2017

To answer your question, 8350 and no you don't have to get a new GPU.

That said, right now is a TERRIBLE time to be "upgrading" to AMD. All current AMD sockets are dead with literally NO upgrade path. Zen was just announced, and according to what I've heard, should be available by the end of March. Please don't build a new AMD rig right now, if you can wait. Even if you CAN'T wait, get a Skylake i3. Same or better gaming performance than those AMD chips, and at least you have an upgrade path.

maxalge · Jan 9, 2017

Ghrark :

neither of those cpu are a good choice for gaming as they are on dead platforms and not very good

the a10 is inferior to the 8350

the a10 does indeed have a built in gpu, which is crap compared to your 750 ti

I strongly suggest you make a new post with your budget and ask for help building a proper gaming setup

Ghrark · Jan 10, 2017

So.... don't build even though my computer can't even play the witcher 3 or fallout 4? My cpu is an i5 2400. I'm just a budget computer builder. I don't have a lot of money. I am trying to just upgrade my computer. I don't play super 4k games or VR. All I want is to know whether they are decent CPUs. I play WOW and Skyrim. I do want to get into Fallout 4 and the Witcher series but i Just want something decent. I don't have thousands to spend on a computer.

DJDeCiBeL · Jan 10, 2017

Ghrark :

Not necessarily "don't upgrade", just don't go the AMD route right now. Yes, it may be cheap, and budget friendly, but so is an i3, which will give you more for an actually even lower price.

The problem with AMD is as I said above. Even a "lowly" i3 will perform better in games than ANY current AMD CPU, and AMD Zen is coming very soon, so it's not like you'd be waiting long, even if you wanted to see what the prices would be like for those. If you buy AMD NOW, it's a VERY bad investment. Bad performance on a dead platform with no upgrade path.

Ghrark · Jan 10, 2017

so what if i went ahead and bought a core i7 cpu with a new mobo? I am wondering because I can afford a newer motherboard with the i7 but the AMD build I was considering allowed me to buy a new SSD for my main hard drive and turn my already aging mechanical drives into external hard drives. But that's what I'm trying to figure out. what's the best route to go about doing.

DJDeCiBeL · Jan 10, 2017

Ghrark :

Well, sure, if you have the budget to do that, that's a great idea.

maxalge · Jan 10, 2017

Ghrark :

well that i5 2400 you have is vastly superior to any amd cpu currently out

you were about to seriously downgrade...

you dont need a cpu upgrade, a gpu upgrade is what you need

grab a rx 470, make sure your power supply is good enough

make sure you have at least 8gb of ram

get a ssd

also who said you could not run the witcher 3 or fallout 4?

because even with a 750 ti you should be able to run it with tweaked settings

Ghrark · Jan 10, 2017

The game requirements did. I use a site called www.canyourunit.com. Takes your computer specs and compares it to the game's required and recommended settings.

maxalge · Jan 10, 2017

Ghrark :

an i5 2400 + 750 ti is enough to play those games...

You need to turn down settings because the gpu is entry level though

with a rx 470 you would easily play with nice fps and settings

Ghrark · Jan 10, 2017

The witcher 3 requires a I5-2500K. Just sayin and heres a link to the full specs page from the official website. http://en.cdprojektred.com/support/tw3-system-requirements/

I also found the specs for Fallout 4 on this website: http://help.bethesda.net/app/answers/detail/a_id/31171

Fallout I do meet the minimum specs but I really want to meet the recommended specs.

DJDeCiBeL · Jan 10, 2017

Ghrark :

"Requires" is a bit misleading, as are all "requirements" for games. They're more like recommendations. It doesn't mean that if you don't have what they say, it won't run, just that you may not get the best experience.

With that said, a stock 2500K isn't really much faster than a 2400. Just 200MHz faster base frequency. Point being, a 2400 should be fine. Not as good as a current i5 or i7, but you shouldn't expect it to be.

DJDeCiBeL · Jan 10, 2017

Going by that chart, it looks like you'd get roughly the same performance with that 2400 as you would with the 8350. You wouldn't even be getting an upgrade if you bought that.

Ghrark · Jan 10, 2017

Fair enough. Thank you for the help. I've knocked that one off the list. I have decided on getting a core i7. I looked at a i7-7700 and i'm considering that one. is it a decent intel chip?

DJDeCiBeL · Jan 10, 2017

Ghrark :

Oh, definitely. It's basically the best consumer level chip you can buy right now.

I would add, though, that it's your 750Ti that's really holding you back, not necessarily the i5 2400. If anything, THAT'S what you should upgrade first.

Ghrark · Jan 11, 2017

Ok. After looking over the chart above (thank you for providing that), I chose the i5-4690K as it is cheaper than it's i7 equivalent and seems to be a solid CPU. As far as the graphics card went, I got this card a month ago for 50 bucks. A steal in my opinion. If I did upgrade, I would get a 1050ti as I am an avid NVidia fan and have been for many years. Thanks for all the help and feel free to leave comments and suggestions. I'm off to choose my ssd!

Jimmyduxfan · Mar 6, 2017

Yes the AMD a10 has the equivlent of a r7 250 gpu built in, you just need to share a couple gb of memory through the bios to make it @ the same as a stand alone gpu. That being said, don't waste your money on the AMD side cpu's unless your waiting for the new Ryzen. I just this week swapped out my a10 7860k and mobo for a i5 6600k and a z170 mobo. I already had a Asus R9 390 gpu, and in Gears War 4 benchmark test my gpu was only running at about 49% avaible power because of the huge bottle neck the APU was putting on. Same gpu with the new i5 setup, 100% gpu being used now and went from med settings barely getting 45 fps w AMD, to ultra settings avg in the 70's w the i5. If you have a rig already running a 750ti, stick with that for a few more weeks to save and buy the i5, pair it with the 750ti till u can upgrade that. The amd sockets are dead as said before, the new Ryzen cpu maybe something but way to early to tell. I belevie the a10's are about $135ish, and the i5 6600k is @$225, totaly worth the hundred bucks. (If u live near a microcenter, they have the i5 6600k on sale walk in only for $199 plus 30 off any mobo, I went w the Asus Z 170 AR for $95 after deal) Heres a great chart showing the overall Intel-AMD cpu Hierarchy, you'll see the 8320 is the best off the 2 amd's but neither touches even the last 2 generation's i5's, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

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