R9 FURY vs GTX 980 vs GTX 1070

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I can't tell ya what to do... just give ya the numbers with which to make a decision ... but you could have done this yaself :) ... have we switched to the Fury X ?

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1060 = 97 x (101.1 / 85.5) = 114.7
Sapphire FuryX = 105 x (108.1 / 102.9) = 110.3
Fury = 97 x (101.5 / 94.2) = 104.5

Outta the box, the Fury and 1060 are tied ... the Fury X is 8% faster in TPUs 16 game test suite at stock settings... Now let's overclock all cards

MSI 1060 6GB is 4% faster overall than Fury X in TPUs 16 game test suite when both cards ore overclocked
MSI 1060 6GB is 10% faster overall than Fury in TPUs 16 game test suite when both cards ore overclocked

The Fury is is...
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1. First off, I wouldn't put much stock on youtube videos unless they are associated with a well respected test site. The usual mindset is to pick a position, and then handpick games or apps that support the predetermined conclusion. My fav one of these is the guy that used "opening 100 Chrome tabs" to **prove** how big an impact SSDs have. As if that was something that any PC user does each day.

2. DX12 represents an extremely small % of present games at this point ... there's 3 in Techpowerup's 17 game test suite and it one of those they used DX11 implementation as DX12 was bonkie.... yeah, it's a technical term :)

3. The teams responsible for DX12 APIs focus will be in looking good in today's major games. DX12 is a new API and you should expect that driver teams will still be tweaking DX12 by the time January 2018 rolls around.

4. The metrics used by the GPU.boss website do not coincide well with the typically used gamer resources.

5. The drawbacks to be considered on the Fury are:

a) Most available are reference designs
b) Extremely limited overclock headroom, with both overclocked, the Fury is substantially behind the others
c) Heat
d) Power (25 - 100 watts)
e) Noise (about 10 db)
f) Increased PSU and case fan requirements

6. Every GPU decision will however be an individual one, it depends on the games you will play.... if the only game you play performs better on a certain card, then that's the card you should get. If you play a wide spectrum of games, then you should review test sites that test a wide range of games. TPU for example usually has about 17 of the day's most popular games in their test suite.

However, with AMDs next generation about to drop ... I would wait till we see how they perform .... then wait 3 more weeks for the AIB versions to arrive. Even if you don't bite, it will have an immediate effect on the pricing of the other cards you are considering. Card pricing is essentially determined by the consumer .... manufacturer's initially price their cards base upon what they perceive consumers will find attractive based upon relative worth. If they guess wrong, prices are adjusted accordingly.
 
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I think the drivers are the same for the fury and RX480. The HD-5870, 5650 ect and above all use the same drivers. HD-4890 to HD-2900 use a older driver. X1950 and older use a even older driver and so on. The rage family uses a driver from prehistoric times. There are 4 driver families with amd/ati.



 
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why is everyone so much hyped with the gtx 1060 6gb?
 
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I happen to own one myself. It has the equivalent performance of a GTX 970 (overclock) or GTX 980 stock. But unlike the 980's release street price of $550, the 1060 6GB sells for $260-$280; single and dual fan prices respectively. It's a lot of performance for the money. And now you can buy a GTX 1070 for $400, which is equivalent to a GTX 980 Ti, which had a release street price of $650.
 
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http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

is this passmark chart more reliable?
 
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At 1080p, the 1070 is a bit too much card.... if budget is an issue, at 1080p, both the 3GB and 6GB models are fine choices. There are several very good 1060s models, the MSI 480 is one that stands out.

The MSI 480 8GB and MSI 1060 6GB (as well as the 480 4 GB and 1060 3GB) are very competitive .... In techpowerups 17 game test suite, the 1060 6GB initially had a 6-7% edge overall ... recent AMD driver releases have narrowed but not completely closed the gap, tho I have not seen any data an what nVidia driver updates have / may have delivered.

The VRAM differences (6 vs 8) have no impact @ 1080p / 1440p ,,, The VRAM differences (3 vs 4) have no impact @ 1080p .

The 1060 has about double the overclocking headroom of the 480 if that matters.

Depending on the card and how measured, the 480 will draw 50 - 115 watts more power meaning ya need a bigger PSU and an extra case fan to keep case temps comparable.

Power costs will run ya about $78 more for the MSI 480 versus the MSI 1060 using average US electric rates over 3 years ... add 70% for europe

The 480 is a bit noisier than the 1060.

However, all those secondary considerations aside ... it all comes down to what games you play. So when making a selection, compare the two cards ... then account for the overclocking difference. If you are still up in the air, those secondary considerations may swing ya one way or the other. If ya don't OC, the OC ability won't matter ... if ya don't pay the electric bill, then power cost don't matter.

 
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Depends ... how do you spend your nights and weekends ... running passmark or playing games :)

If I'm choosing a card, I want to base the decision on the games I play (not many) ... so if you play Witcher 3, I'd use this:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/20.html

If you play GTAV, use this

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/15.html

If you want an average of 17 games, use this

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/24.html

If you want to factor in noise, temps, power, overclocking headroom ....
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/23.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/28.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/22.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/27.html

For temps you will have to check each card ... for overclocking same thing but start with the summary page for the newest card and compare not the card being reviewed but the reference card in the summary charts. Then go to the AIB card ya looking at and compare its OC'd fps with the reference cards numbers to get the actual OC over reference

so for example, looking here ....

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/24.html

Reference 1070 is 96% / Fury is 73%

Looking here...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/27.html

MSI Gaming is 18.5% faster (139.7 / 117.9) when overclocked

looking here....

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/R9_Fury_Tri-X_OC/33.html

Sapphire Fury is 7.7% faster (101.5 / 94.2) when overclocked

So ...

the performance of the subject 1070 is 96 x 1.185 = 113.8
the performance of the subject Fury is 73 x 1.077 = 78.6

113.8 / 78.6 makes the 1070, based upon the average performance in the 16 games on the test suite, 45% faster than the Fury. If interested in game by game performance you can just use the % rankings for any game, and multiply by the same 1.185 and 1.077 factors

 
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ok I see
ty for your time

just answer me this plz to end this

1060 6gb or r9 fury x for the same price on 1080p 60hz monitor?
 
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I can't tell ya what to do... just give ya the numbers with which to make a decision ... but you could have done this yaself :) ... have we switched to the Fury X ?

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1060 = 97 x (101.1 / 85.5) = 114.7
Sapphire FuryX = 105 x (108.1 / 102.9) = 110.3
Fury = 97 x (101.5 / 94.2) = 104.5

Outta the box, the Fury and 1060 are tied ... the Fury X is 8% faster in TPUs 16 game test suite at stock settings... Now let's overclock all cards

MSI 1060 6GB is 4% faster overall than Fury X in TPUs 16 game test suite when both cards ore overclocked
MSI 1060 6GB is 10% faster overall than Fury in TPUs 16 game test suite when both cards ore overclocked

The Fury is is about 2.2 times louder and Fury X 1.5 times louder than the 1060

MSi 1060 is 121 watts under typical gaming and can hit up to 125 watts
Fury is 233 watts under typical gaming and can hit up to 448 watts
Fury X is 246 watts under typical gaming and can hit up to 432 watts

Can ya PSU handle all of those choices ?
 
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yeap its the RM 750 X
 
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Does it really matter if its MSI/GIGABYTE/ASUS/PALIT etc..?

I think people say they all overclock pretty much the same as long as they are not blower fan style
 
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