Phenom II X4 965 in ASUS Mobo Better Than Core i5-2400 in Dell Mobo?

davidleerogers

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Hi, just curious about whether Dell Optiplex business conversions for gaming are just inherently inferior for gaming or if something else is going on. My primary gaming rig WAS this:

Dell Optiplex 390 (Desktop Slim SFF), but I moved the mATX mobo into an ATX case with a Corsair 750W PSU (got it used as a free hand me down).
CPU: Sandy Bridge Core i5-2400
MOBO: Dell whatever with only dual channel memory (2x 240 pin slots) and PCIe 2.0 x16 slot for the GPU
RAM: 16 GB (2x 8GB sticks) 1600 MHz DDR3
HDD (OS): 128 GB SanDisk SSD
HDD (Games): 320 GB 2.5" 5400 RPM (recovered from my laptop after upgrading it to SSD)
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 950 OC Edition (GTX 950 2GD5 OC) - powered by 6-pin from PSU

I built a second gaming rig with the following hardware I got for free (except for the GPU, that's the same one being used in both rigs):
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965
MOBO: ASUS M4A79T Deluxe
RAM: 8 GB (4x 2GB sticks) 1600 MHz DDR3
HDD (OS & Games): 200 GB 2.5" 5400 RPM HDD (another old laptop HDD)
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 950 OC Edition (GTX 950 2GD5 OC)

I was pleasantly surprised to see that I can play Overwatch on the second rig with all Epic settings 40-50 fps at 1920x1200. I could only get 50-60 fps with Med/High settings on the Dell with the Sandy Bridge CPU and more RAM. The Dell also has Steam and my Steam Library and Office 365, but I am curious as to how I'm getting such better gaming performance out of what I expected to be an inferior second rig setup based on CPU and RAM. Any ideas? MS software slowing me down? Both computers are running Windows 10 Pro from clean installations.

Oh yeah, I thought I'd mention that I ran MSI Afterburner on the Phenom II rig and saw huge fps performance drops until I uninstalled it. I do have the ASUS CPU OC BIOS on Auto and the Phenom II X4 stays at 3.4 GHz all the time. I never ran any OC software on the Dell of course. Does Dell throttle CPU/GPU hardware? If so, I'll never go back to gaming on the Optiplex. Could it be Intel stepping down my CPU that is bottlenecking the GPU?

Any education would be much appreciated. This is win-win for me as I have a better gaming rig now and still a solid Dell that I can use for family photos, Office 365, etc.
 
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The delta is small as the GPU is weak. While Intel does not bottleneck thatGPU the i5 is probably running at 20% capacity. I.e GPU running at 100pc

X4 however probably runs at 100 pc and the GPU is maybe 80pc. That is why afterburner reduxed performance as it ate up pretious cpu cycle. Meaning the 950 is to strong enough for the x4 to be bottlenecking by a large amount. Replace the GPU with a 1060 and you would see no performance increase on x4, while your Intel fps scales.

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The delta is small as the GPU is weak. While Intel does not bottleneck thatGPU the i5 is probably running at 20% capacity. I.e GPU running at 100pc

X4 however probably runs at 100 pc and the GPU is maybe 80pc. That is why afterburner reduxed performance as it ate up pretious cpu cycle. Meaning the 950 is to strong enough for the x4 to be bottlenecking by a large amount. Replace the GPU with a 1060 and you would see no performance increase on x4, while your Intel fps scales.
 
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davidleerogers

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Thanks for the info. That does make sense how you've explained it. Is there any way I can make the i5 work harder so that I get better or at least equal performance out of the Dell with the GTX 950 as I am seeing with the X4 and GTX 950? I'm pretty sure speedstep is disabled, but I've read on other forums that maybe Win 10 is restricting CPU performance. Is this a real thing? Everything in my Dell BIOS settings indicate that the i5 should be able to run at full 3.4 GHz whenever needed. I have the Win 10 OS Power Plan set to Max Performance too.

I would like to upgrade to a 1060 or RX 470 at some point in the next year, I just don't have the extra cash now plus I'm very happy with my 950 and OW is the main game I play and isn't too demanding. My other GPU that is now with the i5-2400 in the OptiPlex is a GT 730 64-bit GDDR5 and runs OW 60 fps on low settings and not as pretty, but just as fun. If I also upgrade the MOBO for the i5, should I get one with PCIE 3.0? Would it be that much better than PCIE 2.0?