Help with a ~ $2500 build, and good LCD control panels

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

I've already got my build pretty much configured and tweaked over the past few weeks just by doing plain old research, however I want to run this by someone to make sure I'm not spending too much on some component that won't give me too much benefit, or maybe someone can suggest alternatives to any other component.

P.S I ran it through a component checking website and it's all compatible however I've got this note, saying that my M.2 slot shares bandwidth with E.Sata port and that if M.2 slot is used E.Sata port will be disabled. But my mobo has 3 of the esata ports I believe, so only one will be disabled right? And will I even need to use an M.2 slot with these components? I was planning to plug the ssd into esata.

The other thing is that I'm looking for an LCD panel to install to see things like fan speeds and cpu temp. The only ones I found were bunded together with FAN controllers, which I really don't need at all, not to mention most LCD panel reviews say these FAN bundled ones have LCDs that die in months if not weeks and are really weak etc. So is there a good one out there? If there are no stand alone display-only ones I don't mind getting it with a FAN controller. It can be either one or 2 bay, and should be around $200 or under.

So this is my current new egg shopping cart:

CoolerMaster Stor Stryker Full Tower - $150
Gigabyte G1 GA-Z170x Gaming7 Mobo - 180
i7-6700K - #340
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo CPU Fan - 35
TridentZ 2x8GB 3866 (PC 30900) RAM- 160
MSI GTX 1070 8gb x2 in SLI - 860
Evga SuperNova 750W power - 160
Toshiba P300 7200rpm 3TB HDD - 98
Crucial MX300 1TB SSD -269
LG 14x SATA Blu-ray burner - 50
Windows 10 Pro - 140

CoolerMaster Storm Stryker

logainofhades · Jan 19, 2017

That fast of ram, will do little, for gaming performance, just as an FYI. DDR4 3200 is more than enough. The G2 750w is quite a bit cheaper as well, and still a great PSU. Use some of those savings for a better cooler, like a Cryorig H5 ultimate, or even an R1 ultimate. Win 10 pro normally not necessary either.

elbert · Jan 19, 2017

I wouldn't suggest the CM212 due RAM blocking RAM issues. A 750W only meets the min requirement for 1070SLI so I suggest a 1000W for overclocking. I suggest Kabylake instead of skylake.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($344.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming K5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($185.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3466 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($255.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($398.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($398.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Stryker (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($153.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G2 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($136.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($129.77 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2306.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-19 14:44 EST-0500

g-unit1111 · Jan 19, 2017

elbert :

You're going to run into that problem no matter what air fan you get. And it's not even really that big of a problem to begin with. The only thing that will happen is that your fan won't align with your heat sink, but that won't disrupt the airflow.

Here's a build I would suggest - I wouldn't worry about LCD control panels as most of them don't do much. You also don't need Windows 10 Pro or the BD-R drive, and a single 1080 (or the 1080TI when / if that becomes available) will be better than dual 1070s. Here's what I would suggest:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($344.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($174.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($109.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.60 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($589.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($589.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($107.90 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2326.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-19 14:58 EST-0500

That is a much wiser use of $2500.

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

Great advice here, @logainofhades this will be my all in one workstation, I could use those ram speeds for Maya or Photoshop.

@elbert, thanks, I replaced the cpu and psu to the ones you suggested, it only came out $60 more overall so I think definitely worth it. However I looked up a benchmark between 212 and h7 fans and they're about the same, but 212 has a much larger market share and customer base so if anything I'd be easier to deal with their customer support.

The motherboard though looks so much worse to what I have now, I compared them side by side and the other one just came out so it's mint, but is there any real difference, the only thing in their specifications is a 270 intel chipset, vs 170, but looking up those chip specifications, the only real difference is an extra intel pci storage tech on the newer one, or am I missing something? Also this mobo has the Creative 3D sound chip, so I'm kind of leaning more towards that. I don't know, what are some pros of the other board?

@g-unit1111
I don't really need any functionality from the LCD panel besides looking good and displaying time and temperature, this I must have for the look of the build I have planned.

Win 10 Pro I absolutely need since I remote in to my desktop from the phone quite frequently and run a full virtualization stack with HyperV. Absolutely a must.

For the gfx cards the benchmarks say dual 1070s do out peform a 1080 by quite a margin.

So the main question is the mobo, what are the benefits (or future benefits over next few years) of having a z270 chipset vs z170

elbert · Jan 19, 2017

Actually the H7 is about 5% better at cooling. The CM212 is only about equal to the M9i. The Cryorig heatsinks are also designed to lean away from the RAM so they dont impact your tall heatspreaders.

The 200 series motherboards have octane which is a new 16~32GB super fast cache drive.

g-unit1111 · Jan 19, 2017

vanillasnake21 :

Yeah I have an NZXT Sentry 3 in my system and I have found that it's generally kind of useless. Most fan controllers are.

logainofhades · Jan 19, 2017

Still not convinced that the cost is worth the added speed. 16gb kit going nearly as much as some 32gb kits is kinda crazy.

g-unit1111 · Jan 19, 2017

elbert :

But the RAM clearance deal is a complete non issue, is it not? Even if you do have that problem it won't disrupt or block your system's air flow. It just won't look the way it does on the packaging. It was a problem on DDR3 systems when Corsair and other RAM manufacturers were manufacturing RAM with monster heat sinks, but when it was proven that they didn't do anything, they've since got the hint, and RAM manufacturers are no longer manufacturing RAM with heat sinks as tall as they were on Corsair Vengeance DDR3 modules.

elbert · Jan 19, 2017

g-unit1111 :

It forces you to push the CM212's fan up high on the heatsink so kind does effect cooling. Worse if your case only large enough to support the CM212's hight your stuck with moving the fan to pulling air instead of push. I have the CM212 and I had to move my fan on the otherside of the heatsink. Tried pull which sucked and ended up rotating the fan and the exhaust fan to blow into my case. If you dont do your homeword on RAM spreaders it can force you to move the fan to bad positions. Even the D15 has a new version D15s with just a single fan due to this issue.

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

After reading a more detailed comparison they new chipset has optane tech and 4 additional pcie bus lines, which I think eliminates the M.2 issue bandwidth issue warning I get. Looks good, I'll switch to this one then. Thanks for all the advice.

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

Also I was thinking of getting this instead of my Corsair MX300 -> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147595 is it worth the extra price?

elbert · Jan 19, 2017

I wouldn't suggest putting near $500 on a drive no matter how fast it is. Really wouldn't put the $250 for the Mx300 1TB. In most things CPU, GPU, and RAM are the most important. Get 32GB's of RAM instead would make a better system.

g-unit1111 · Jan 19, 2017

elbert :

Only by a few mm. Look at the Corsair Vengeance DDR4 vs the Corsair Vengeance DDR3. Corsair got the hint that the tall RAM spreaders were a problem. Even on my rig - I have a Cryorig R1 and G.Skill TridentZ, and the fan on my R1 only sits a couple of mm higher than it would had I used the Corsair Vengeance that I previously had in my system.

I wouldn't suggest putting near $500 on a drive no matter how fast it is. Really wouldn't put the $250 for the Mx300 1TB. In most things CPU, GPU, and RAM are the most important. Get 32GB's of RAM instead would make a better system.

Why? If this is a gaming rig, 32GB of RAM is completely unnecessary.

Deleted member 217926 · Jan 19, 2017

Just to address the RAM speed, you may have problems with Skylake / Z170 and DDR4 3866. That RAM is much more suited to an i7 7700K / Z270X. Even then it might take a couple of BIOS revisions to be completely trouble free.

I'd recommend DDR4 3200 for Skylake and DDR4 3600 for Kaby Lake. The GSkill TridentZ modules are the best on the market.

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

This is not only a gaming rig, it's going to be my primary workstation as well, so I need a very solid desktop and in-app performance, on almost all systems I had I've always bottled out on storage, so I don't mind paying extra for that.

@anort3 thank you, 3600 TridentZs it is then.

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

I'm rereading your convo with g-unit about fan positioning and such, and I'll probably lean towards the h7, but that list you provided with all the coolers, what's the best on it? I don't know if I'll do this, but I might oc my chip. In that case do I need to go down the water route or can I get a high end cooler, if so which one?

elbert · Jan 19, 2017

I would suggest 3333 RAM 32GB kit for a workstation.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($344.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming K5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($185.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3333 Memory ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($255.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($383.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($383.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Stryker (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($153.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G2 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($136.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($129.77 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2412.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-19 20:24 EST-0500

Deleted member 217926 · Jan 19, 2017

I'm confused as to why the MX300 is being recommended as an M2 drive? It shares a controller with the SATA version and as such is the same speed. Just get the SATA version. I'd think he'd want an NVMe drive like the 960 Evo or Pro in the M2 slot.

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

@elbert, I can't go lower than 3600, I"ve already sacrificed 200+mhz for stability as I don't want to deal with returns, (even though I checked again the mobo does say it supports 3866 too, so I'm not sure why @anort3 said that, however, just to be safe I'll go with the safer more adopted 3600. To be honest I won't ever need 32gb. Most usage I've had with HyperV + Maya + Photoshop + Game running at same time was around 8gb.

I was asking about the coolers, If I want to overclock my chip, what is the best one, this one I can pay extra.

Also I was looking at Evo 960 ssd, is this thing real it says on specs 3200mbps read speed, my mx300 ssd is 580? And it's only twice as much price wise, why do you guys say it's not worth it?

@albert3 the mx300 is not being reccomended, it just says that once m.2 port is used the pciE port will get disabled, so I assumed it means that mx300 would could be plugged into m.2 port, maybe it's just a cautionary note.

Deleted member 217926 · Jan 19, 2017

$2500? I'll play.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($344.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-UD5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($479.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.48 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($589.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 530 (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($108.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME 850W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($129.77 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2510.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-19 20:50 EST-0500

The cooler comes in colors. That's the most stable power supply on the planet with enough headroom to add a second card in the future if necessary or indeed most any multi card setup you will be able to buy for the next 10 years. You could also potentially sell the single 1080 in a few months when the 1080 Ti comes out.

elbert · Jan 19, 2017

Unfortuantly there is no faster 32GB 2 stick kits. With SSD's the speed advantage of the 960 makes little difference in games. Its not something you'll notice. The latency advantage of the M.2 is the only good advatage over sata SSD's. The reason why the drives speed make little differance is due to the RAM's speed.
I use Blender and it loves RAM for rendering. Im supprized Maya isn't the same.

For the coolers look at the pic I posted. The Cryorig Ri and the Noctua D15 are about the best air coolers near the bottom of the list. They are big coolers tho. The Cryorig H7 and H5 are about the best reasonable size heatsinks.

Deleted member 217926 · Jan 19, 2017

Did you read the workstation part? That's the part where the NVMe drive will make a huge difference. Try moving some big files around. I forgot the exact size and time but something like a 120GB file from my 512GB 950 Pro to my 500GB 840 Evo took less than 3 minutes. From the 840 Evo to a mechanical drive took a little over 35 minutes.

950 pro vs 840 Evo.

My 6700K at 4.6Ghz won't go over 70C unless I run Prime small FFTs and Intel Burn test at the same time with the Phanteks. The Phanteks along with the Noctua D14/D15 are about as good as air cooling gets. It easily keeps up with the H100/H110.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC14PE/6.html

Deleted member 217926 · Jan 19, 2017

Also should add both Skylake and Kaby Lake are faster with 4 DIMMs populated than two. With older architectures the reverse was true. So higher end systems intended for memory intensive situations should have 4 stick kits recommended. The difference is small but it is there.

vanillasnake21 · Jan 19, 2017

@anort3 I love that list, wow. I'm going with everything on it except gfx cards (which I'll keep at my sli 1070s) and power supply which I'll keep with elbert's 1000W evga supernova, and the case I'm not so hot about, I'll keep my option. The mobo I think I'll go with a similar one, not exactly the same, https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128964&cm_re=gigabyte_z270-_-13-128-964-_-Product. Thanks for that. Also I'd like to mention I can do 3000-3500$, I mean I have no limit on the build, I just don't want to pay $300 extra for some minor nuance or fad, but I don't mind paying that for truly good stuff like 960 evo for example. So if you can make a build in that price range I'd really appreciate it too.

@elbert I don't play games as much as I'd like to ) but just the 5x improvement in speed of the ssd makes it worthwhile for that price. I never checked ram during any batch render job, I was talking about realtime model manipulation while modeling/texturing, my ram never exceeded 8gb. For rendering I'm not sure. But it's not the most important thing, I usually just leave it overnight and well into the next day for rendering till I come back from work, so any speed imporvement there is not really that important. edit: But in any case I am probably going to get the 4x8 sticks anyways, anort says they're faster when all are in place.

Thanks anort, great adive there, I'm psyched about the 960 evo for sure now.

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