Please critique my build Kaby Lake ~1600$ build.

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Hello. A month or so ago I made a thread here asking for build advice. It was very helpful and I nearly went ahead with the purchase but then decided to wait and see what people thought of the Kaby lake processors. I have now redone my build for that processor and need advice. Here is my current build:

I will be overclocking CPU, GPU, and RAM. My budget is 15-1700$ I would like general advice on improving my build as well as a few questions.

Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/EliteKnightRamza/saved/nFkjXL

Case: How is the chosen case? It comes with two fans, an intake in the front and an outtake in the rear. Both 140mm. I intended to buy a 3rd 140mm to use on the top as an exhaust, which would give me including the PSU, a 140mm + 130mm intake and two 140mm outtakes. Is this enough for good airflow or should I choose a different case altogether?

Motherboard: I chose the Asus Prime line because their UEFI Bios looks nice. However, there's no reviews out for them because z270's are still too new. There's 4 boards (ignoring the micro board) that I can choose from in this line. I went with the cheapest one because I'm not concerned with aesthetics I just want to be able to overclock and have decent audio. Is the cheapest one okay for this, or am I sacrificing a lot by not getting a more expensive board on this line?
 
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With regards to the power delivery system, you can count the number of the square things (called a choke) in the immediate vicinity of the CPU socket to get the number of power phase available on the board. As for the more detail however:



You can count on the Extreme4 12 power phase, but ASROCK only advertise it as 10 phase board; tear down img show that it's 6+4 with 6 for the CPU and 4 for the iGPU. The extra 2 phase nearby is wired for something else.

The -A is advertised by ASUS as 8 phase, but you can count 10 of them on the board and without a tear-down, there's no way to...

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Good build. If I was going to critique it, it's mostly money saving changes except for the ssd. That video card in particular is way overpriced.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($344.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z270-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($97.88 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($589.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($75.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.80 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140mm Fan ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1576.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-20 00:18 EST-0500
 

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Hello thank you for your reply. I have questions about your changes.

RAM: Will these essentially perform the same, with the G.Skill simply being cheaper or is there a trade-off?
SSD: Why do you recommend this one over the Sandisk?
GPU: I chose the MSI because I read it was a very quiet card. How does the EVGA SC card compare noise wise? I also intend to OC the 1080 so sound level is important. I agree the MSI card seems overpriced and the EVGA looks like a much better buy seeing as how much cheaper it is, but I'm curious how loud it will be and if it can OC well.

Also what were your thoughts on the case and motherboard? The Asus Prime line has 3 other choices that are more costly but I assume have more features. Worth buying the pricier ones or is the one I chose going to be fine for my purposes?
 

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RAM was a price thing. Small, but adds up.
SSD was a personal preference. Crucial makes very reliable storage and has great customer service.
Yes the MSI 1080 was way overpriced. It wouldn't be noticeably louder than the EVGA or the Zotac that is also similarly priced.
Love the case. Very quiet.
I would probably upgrade to the Asus Z270-A instead of the P. The A is the best for price/performance if you ask me.
 

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What makes the A so much better than the P? Motherboards are the one thing I can't readily compare and understand the differences.
 

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What feature in that comparison you linked indicates that the A overclocks better? I don't doubt what you're saying but I'd like to understand how to spot critical parts of a motherboard such as this.
 

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If you want a Z270 MB that's been well reviewed for OC, look to the ASROCK Z270 Extreme4.

TweakTown : i7 7700k to 5Ghz @ 1.328V
TechPowerUp : i7 7700k to 5Ghz @ 1.312V
Eteknix : i7 7700k to 5Ghz @ 1.376V

An i7 7700k overclocked can pull up to ~140W. You don't want to overclock it on a board that only have heatsink covering one part of its power delivery system.

 

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"You don't want to overclock it on a board that only have heatsink covering one part of its power delivery system." Are you referring to the Prime P board I linked in the OP? Where exactly do I look on the motherboard to see that? Also how does that AsRock board compare to the Prime A board seen here: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-Z270-A/

 

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With regards to the power delivery system, you can count the number of the square things (called a choke) in the immediate vicinity of the CPU socket to get the number of power phase available on the board. As for the more detail however:



You can count on the Extreme4 12 power phase, but ASROCK only advertise it as 10 phase board; tear down img show that it's 6+4 with 6 for the CPU and 4 for the iGPU. The extra 2 phase nearby is wired for something else.

The -A is advertised by ASUS as 8 phase, but you can count 10 of them on the board and without a tear-down, there's no way to know for sure the actual CPU/iGPU distribution is.

So, in all likelihood, between the Extreme4 and the -A, they should have pretty similar overclocking capabilities (and are much better equip for that than the -P), and it'd come down to the extra features or the little fine details like for example:

The Extreme4 has two BIOS chips while the -A has a power on button and one more fan header.

The Extreme4 has an M2 Key E for M2 Wifi card (that isn't included), the -A has an extra Fan extension header (that you can purchase to connect more fans for the MB, so that it can control them automatically, or with a fan-curve) and it also support customized 3D printing cover plate.

In addition to the HDMI and DVI, the -A has a DisplayPort port for the iGPU while the Extreme4 has a VGA port. Which may matter in the event that you need to diagnose to find-out which component has failed you. The Extreme4 has one less PCIe x1 slot, but the extra slot on the -A is right next to the first PCIe x16 where your graphic card should reside and therefore blocking that slot anyway.

The Extreme4 come with an ASMedia chip to provide 2 more SATA ports, but it's because using its M2 port/ports will disable 2/4 of the SATA ports controlled by the Z270 chipset. While the -A would only disable up to 3 SATA ports when a SATA M2 and a PCIe x4 M2 device is in use.;

i.e. the storage device configuration for the Extreme4 could be either: eight SATA devices, or one M2 device + 6 SATA devices or two M2 devices + 4 SATA devices;
while the -A would be six SATA devices, or one M2 PCIe x4 + 6 SATA devices, or two M2 PCIe x4 devices + 4 SATA devices or one M2 PCIe x4 device + one M2 SATA device + 3 SATA devices and a specific configuration M2 PCIex4 on slot M2_1 + M2 SATA on slot M2_2 and you retain all six SATA ports for SATA devices.

Otherwise, they both have the same LAN, the same audio chip, the exact same number and type of USB ports at the back, etc...

And finally, pricing, which the Extreme4 is slightly cheaper than the -A.


In term of the case and its airflow, you should be putting that extra fan to the front intake instead of exhaust. Because your config would actually end-up become one 140mm intake + two 140mm exhaust; while the fan on the PSU would be doing its own thing, pulling air into the PSU container and out the exhaust grille at the back (assuming the PSU fan facing downward).
 
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That was quite the breakdown, thank you. Since the Extreme4 has two bios chips does that mean if I were to update the bios and the power went out my board wouldn't be bricked since it could revert to the bios on the other chip?

If you had to choose, which one would you go with? I'm almost certain I am going with the Extreme 4 now but still like to know what you'd choose if you were building the system.

 

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Yes, to the BIOS question.

Second, personally, if it was my build, I'd also pick the Extreme4 over the -A. Because unlike for the Z170, the Z270 version of these boards are pretty much the same. While in the absolute best of condition, the Z270-A may be able to push an i7 7700k a bit further past the 5Ghz, but we'd be talking about all 8 power phase for the CPU, the silicon god being on your side in getting some of the best overclockable i7; and even then in the many reviews I've seen, the 5Ghz overclock pushed temperature close to the limit of what their 140/240mm AIO liquid could handle (when faced with stress test/video encode where all CPU cores are hammered). Therefore I believe that the territory beyond 5Ghz would require a lot of luck and a big investment in cooling to make that extra money on the -A worth it.

On a non-technical-related reason, I feel that the aesthetic of the -A is over-designed and look too busy.