Wierd crash, any thoughts?

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So I had an interesting crash today, I was playing rainbow six siege (fairly demanding, but not as bad as games like Bf1 or total war) and I had a bsod mid game, so i rebooted and finished my game, afterwards I went to check the bluescreen was exactly (whea_uncorrectable_error) When I checked the parameters of what the crash was i noticed that parameter 1 was all 0s eluding to a cpu shutdown of some sort. So I was worried about my temps first and foremost as i have a very aggressive overclock for a hyper 212 of 4.6ghz on an i7 4790k @1.23v in games it sits around mid 60s (im monitoring with aida64, and its been rock solid through eveything ive thrown at it)
After some game testing i concluded that barring a glitch it couldn't be temperature related, but to be safe I ran a stress test for an hour and while yes it was a wee bit toasty i was sitting at an average of roughly 75 or so max was 84c on core 3 of which it spiked for less than a second and went back to normal. But I never was throttling so I concluded temps werent the issue. Is it possible the vcore is slightly too low for 4.6ghz or just a glitch because ubisoft. The only time ive had crashes with the same parameters was when I was too low on vcore when pushing the cpu.

As for the possibility of gpu overclocks being the issue, i gave up on overclocking pascal ages ago.

What are any of you thinking it could be? Maybe its just my cpu is like FEED ME MORE POWER. It hasn't happened since so I'm thinking its just a ubisoft thing....

Planning to get a kraken x62 soon so i can push to 4.7-4.9ghz as my voltage isnt too too high yet.
 
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Possible it may have been a bit of V-Droop while under load. I believe Rainbow 6 is very CPU heavy if my memory is correct.

Try a slight bump in the LLC. You know yourself you have a lot of headroom in your voltage, 1.23v at 4.6GHz is pretty damn good, and temps under AIDA are always 5-15c higher than real world usage. So give the LLC a little bump, and if/when you get a better cooler, you should/might be able to push a little more performance :)

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Possible it may have been a bit of V-Droop while under load. I believe Rainbow 6 is very CPU heavy if my memory is correct.

Try a slight bump in the LLC. You know yourself you have a lot of headroom in your voltage, 1.23v at 4.6GHz is pretty damn good, and temps under AIDA are always 5-15c higher than real world usage. So give the LLC a little bump, and if/when you get a better cooler, you should/might be able to push a little more performance :)
 
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I went and checked my voltages for vdroop, but the weird thing is here's what I found.
CPU-z: 1.222v vdroop of .001v
Bios: 1.223v (What it was set at)
Cpu-id via Aida64 fluctuation between 1.236v and 1.248v
Is cpu-id glitched or is it pulling more voltage then the bios is telling it to?

Good news is I know it's pulling more then intended before i add more voltage.

Another thing I'm finding that's wierd is that I did a bclk OC just out of simplicity and windows says 4.36Ghz and Aida is saying 4.6ghz same with CPU-z and the bios is showing the boost clock at 4.6ghz so idk i windows is high or what.
 

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Just to double check, you know that BCLK (Base clock) overclocking, overclocks Everything, right? CPU, PCI lines, RAM, Drives, Chipset... Everything! (Unless the board specifically allows separate CPU only BCLK overclocking.)
 

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I do, but the only things that i saw being actively affected were the cpu, and ram. I didnt see any change in anything else, and the ram was up from 800 to around 850 so relatively minor and ive seen people get close to 1000mhz clock on ram.
I could ve mistaken but just in case I have a gigabyte ga-z97x-gaming 7 motherboard with 16gb ddr3 hyperX fury
 

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That's cool man.
But I would say, if you are still OC'ing solely via the base clock, or if you are doing it via base clock and multiplier at the same time without getting the multiplier solid and stable first, you are going to run into issues.
The base clock as said affects Everything even things within the motherboard and PC in general that you cannot see. The BCLK is there for Xeon and some X99 tweaking, it's never been a common thing in the consumer range (i5s and low i7s). Most consumer i5s/i7s will BSOD if you even look at the BCLK, even think of looking at it.
It's not used for the main OC because it affects so many things and is unstable and prone to issues, like passing a 24 stress test no problem, but crashing when watching a YouTube video, or causing "WHEA Event 17" errors.

You will also most likely be able to OC much further. You can always OC via the multiplier, get to your max OC, make sure you're 100% stable, then try tweaking the BCLK to increase it.

But it's obviously up to you, I'm just giving advice.
 

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Im newer to intel overclocking so I'm still getting acclimated with it. So just to be sure youre saying to put the blck back to default and just overclock via the multipler for the cpu right? I also am thinking of ocing the ram as well but I need to read up on it more.
 

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Yes, exactly right. Intel CPUs and the compatible motherboards are designed to be OC'ed via the multiplier. The multiplier is as it's name suggests, a multiplier of the BCLK. So if you set the multiplier to 10, that equates to: 10 x 100 BCLK = 1000MHz or 1GHz.

I would highly recommend you restore the default settings in the BIOS so you don't forget any voltages or settings you may have changed, then start with a fixed (Manual) VCore voltage of something like 1.25v or slightly higher, which *should be fine with your cooler. If you're concerned of temps, always start with lower voltages and work up. 1.30v is normally about the max safe voltage for a Hyper 212.

Once you have a fixed VCore of 1.25v-1.30v, then simply increase the multiplier from 40 (40 x 100 BCLK = 4000MHz/4GHz) to something like 45 (4.5GHz). Run AIDA64 or whichever stress test app you use, for at least one hour. If it passes with no issues, try bumping up to 46 (4.6GHz), and repeat the same hour test.
Eventually you will crash or blue screen, which tells you, either you need more voltage or lower the clock speed. If temps are fine, then try increasing the VCore slightly, very small increments like 1.300v to 1.310v, and rerun the test.

Remember that temps under stress test load will be 10-15c higher than normal load, they are designed to push way beyond what you will ever do with the PC. So if your temps hit 90c, that is high, but real world temps will be more like 70c-80c which is absolutely fine.

When you think you have your max overclock, run a stress test for a *Minimum* of 12 hours. Some times a PC can appear stable and pass even 8-10 hours... then suddenly crash. So the longer you test, the better.

Also, a very important thing that 95% of people forget or simply don't know about is, WHEA Events. This is where your OS (Windows 7/8/10) is unstable because of the OC. It can cause crashes, driver failures and poor performance. What that means is, your OC might seem perfectly stable and pass a stress test, but it's actually just slightly unstable at certain speeds and loads, so Windows starts experiencing errors.
WHEA Events (Code 17 and 18 if I remember correctly) can be viewed and checked in the Windows Event Viewer.

When everything is 100% stable, then you can try to OC a little more via the BCLK if you want.

One last thing. OC'ing memory makes very little difference and in many cases Zero difference in real world use. You would have to go from 1600MHz to 2600MHz to even notice a tiny difference, and even that would be almost unnoticeable. Closer or lower timings can make a little difference as they are Latency. Timing are the numbers on your memory like: 9,9,9,24 or whichever numbers your memory has.
For gaming, 1333MHz vs 3000MHz = Zero, nothing, Nada, nil.

Hope this helps :)