Video Editing going 4K upgrade GPU advice needed

VinnieTHack

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My current built is an i7-2600K 2x8GB DDR3 1600, 1T hybrid SATA RAID pair with ATI Radeon HD 5770 Crossfire. The beast is able to do 1080p video rendering without any problem. However, for 4K videos, it is somewhat outdated. What GPU would be a reasonable upgrade if I wish to keep this unit. The PCI-E16 is only 2.0.
 
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VinnieTHack,

Yes, Premiere does benefit from a strong CPU single-thread performance, but is not internally a thread distributed application and almost all the processing is GPU-based. There was a sort of multi-thread selection feature in v 2014 but that was a limited number of processes and that was deleted in v 2015. The Puget Systems article shows the peak efficiency running on 4-5 cores and actually going negative on dual CPU's.

The i7-2600K is an outstanding CPU for that generation. On Passmark Performance Test baselines, the average CPU Mark is 8481 with a Single Thread Mark of 1942. If you were so-inclined, the i7-2700K has a CPU Mark of 8780 and a Single Thread Mark of 2010. But, putting these ratings...

VinnieTHack

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NO WAY! How much Adobe do you do? There are a boat load of GPU acceleration in After Effect and Premiere Pro CC.
Read these pages.
https://helpx.adobe.com/after-effects/using/rendering-opengl.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/effects.html
 
See GPU is required in AE but for accelerating CPU workload and support graphical aspects to remove load from CPU. The gain that you get from upgrading GPU is comparatively small from what you get from upgrading CPU. CPU handles the main 4K rendering, rendering time reduces tremendously if CPU has more cores and threads.
 

VinnieTHack

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I already have the i7 so I cannot upgrade CPU. If I upgrade to a newer CPU, I will need to replace motherboard too which will be a brand new build instead of an upgrade! Besides, newer i7 CPU are still 4 cores 8 threads only faster clock cycles. I can overclock my 2600K to 4Ghz.
Newer GPU have CUDA that should make significant video transcoding performance differences. My Radeon 5770 does not support OpenCL double precision calculations.
List of GPU supported according to Adobe site
https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/system-requirements.html
 
VinnieTHack,

Yes, Premiere does benefit from a strong CPU single-thread performance, but is not internally a thread distributed application and almost all the processing is GPU-based. There was a sort of multi-thread selection feature in v 2014 but that was a limited number of processes and that was deleted in v 2015. The Puget Systems article shows the peak efficiency running on 4-5 cores and actually going negative on dual CPU's.

The i7-2600K is an outstanding CPU for that generation. On Passmark Performance Test baselines, the average CPU Mark is 8481 with a Single Thread Mark of 1942. If you were so-inclined, the i7-2700K has a CPU Mark of 8780 and a Single Thread Mark of 2010. But, putting these ratings into perspective, the Xeon E5-2687w v3 ($2,200 each) used in the Puget Systems article has a CPU Mark of 17795 but single threaded is 1940- really the same as the i7-2600K. As the additional cores don't help the processing, really nothing above a 6-core is going to improve the speed.

To upgrade your system, because the of number and size of swaps between CPU, GPU, RAM, and Disk that are occurring with such large files sizes- and much larger with 4K, my suggestion is to increase the RAM to 32GB, adding RAM matching the existing, and add a fast SSD, specifically a Samsung 850 Evo 500GB.

For the important GPU, the amount of video memory is very important in video editing.

In Passmark baselines, the top G3D rating for an i7-2600K is 14217 from a GTX 1080. No. 2 is GTX 1070 at 13440, 3= GTX 1070. In fact, all of the top 100 i7-2600K systems (of 10,030 tested) are all GTX: 1080, 1070, Titan X (No. 8 13121), 980Ti, 970. The top Radeon is a "Pro Duo" is No 346 @ 11110.

I suggest a pair of GTX 1060 6GB (about $240 to $500), which means two GPU's, 2.560 CUDA cores, and a total of 12GB of GDDR5. For comparison, the Radeon HD 5770 has a Passmark G3D rating of 1690 while a GTX 1060 6GB averages 8679. the top score for a Pair of GTX 1060's with an i7-2600K is 11017. There is a good argument for using a single GTX 1070 ($370 to $500) as those have 8GB memory and 2,560 CUDA cores, and a single unit will be efficient- average Passmark of 10958, similar to a pair of GTX 1060's but having -4GB memory. Many have commented on the difference in running on PCI 2.0 and 3.0 not to be noticeable nor apparently is running the card as PCIe x8 instead of x16.

As for GPU make and model, perhaps have a look at this article that compares GTX 1060 specifications and features and the corresponding one for the GTX 1070. From GPU test reports based on FPS in games, for the GTX 1060, it appears the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Gaming X is the fastest- and it appears to have two nice, big fans and for video processing I'm a big fan of big fans. For GTX 1070, the Zotac GTX 0170 AMP! Extreme is given a high rating- and three fans. Still, for this important choice, it would be a good idea to look at reviews centered on video editing.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

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Chrisfranklin6002

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What did you go for? I've just added an extra 3g 1060, although I didn't realise at the time that it bottlenecks it, so Octane, in my case, doesn't use the 6+3gbs of Ram, it only uses up to 3. With games, they just run off the single 6gb 1060 - but my render speeds have pretty much doubled in Octane, which for simple scenes - I'm yet to throw a heavy scene at it. My system as a whole needs a bit of fine tuning to be honest.