Buying a new pc

markussc1

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Hello. I'm about to buy a new pc, and would like a person who actually knows something (therefor not me), to say if im totally wrong with the setup :) (Btw i know i made a thread once, but had to move out instead and didn't get to buy a PC then, sad me* )

Processor: Intel Core I7 7700k 4.2GHz
Graphic card: Geforce GTX 1080 Gaming X 8G
Ram: Corsair DDR4 PC3200 16GB (2*8)
SSD: Samsung SSD 850 Evo 500GB (Don't need a HDD, to lazy to save on the right disk drive)
Motherbord: MSI Z270 Pro ATX
Cooler: Arctic liquid Freezer 240 Watercooling.
PSU: Corsair RMx Series 650W Silent Modular
Netcard: Tp-link TL-WDN4800 wireless.
Tower: no idea.

The main problem is, i would like to cut a bit off the price if something is irelevant, so the main problem is:
Motherboard : Do i need such an expensive motherboard? I dont OC, and i won't do anything fancy with the pc.
Cooler: Watercooling sounds cool, is it the right type, or do i need to do know something here?
PSU: Why oh why is it so expensive compared to other PSU with same Watt, is there a reason for this, or should i choose an other PSU?

Just so you know, i will make then build the pc before i get it, no way i will try to do that and give up halfway.

Thanks in advance, and sorry if theres something i did not make clear.
 
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The stock I7-7700K @4.2 is faster than the I7-7700@3.6.
If the $35 difference is not a killer, stick with the 7700K or you will forever wonder if you should have.

3200 speed ram is 2400 speed of sufficient quality that it will run at 3200 speed when overclocked past the stock 1.2 voltage.
Not hard to do with XMP bios settings.
But, not much worth it either.

Here is a chart of different kaby lake chipsets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1151

For you, I see no compelling reasons for other than B250.

If you stick with tier 1 or 2, you will get a very good psu.

It is not a waste to go ssd only.
I have only a 500gb ssd and it holds what I need.
Everything you do will be quicker.
When a ssd was very expensive, it made some sense...
If you don't ever intend to OC Go.for the non-k 7700 and a decent H270 board and a cheap yet decent air cooler like a Cryorig M9i

Usually the RMx is within 15$ to other units of the same quality. A 650W unit that costs less than 70$ is somewhat dodgy and I wouldn't spend a dime on it. Look at Super Flower;, EVGA G3, GS, B2, G2; XFX (except the XT) or Seasonic. Pick the one that looks best to you. But I wouldn't go for less than that.
Cheaper units come with less safety, stability, some outright lie about their specs (especially those who claim 650W for 35$(

To cut back on price you can go with an i5-7600
For gaming there's little difference.
 

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there is n point in getting a "k" processor if you don't plan to OC.. BUT there is no point in getting such expensive components and not OCing.. this set up is ideal for OCing.. it would be a shame not to take advantage of the offering of your budget.. The "Z" M/B offers OC to "K" CPUs and some other features that only a few are truly needed..
My only recommendations are about the ram and the disk
RAM does not need to have such high freqency but if it fits our budget w/o need to save up from smth more critical (don't really know how you end up on these so they might be good for you)
SSDs are not designed to keep data, but for programms.. the thing is that in my opinion a 250GB SSD is enough for OS and some critical programms(such as your browser etc) and a HDD for other stuff. it won't affect gaming performance.. only loading times..
PSU is very good in value and fidelity. Also it is modular and 80+ Gold , features that get the cost high
 
You could build as is, it is an excellent pc.
To save a bit, here are some thoughts:

1. On ram, there is very little difference due to ram speed. 2400 is fine.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1478-page1.html

Love the ssd.

2. On the motherboard, yes, you could use a cheaper B250 chipset if you will forgo the option of overclocking.
Look at M-ATX sizes, they are often cheaper.
The i7-7700K runs at stock 4.2 very well.
If you were to overclock, now, or in the future, this is what you might expect:
As of 1/13/17
What percent can get an overclock at a somewhat sane 1.4v Vcore.

I7-7700K
4.9 74%
5.0 56%
5.1 26%
5.2 5%

3. I do not recommend liquid cooling see my canned rant at the end.
In particular, a good $35 air cooler will be all you need.
Look at the scythe kotetsu, here is a review:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Scythe_Kotetsu

4. GTX1080 needs about 520w.
I have no problem overprovisioning a PSU a bit. Say 20%.
It will run cooler, quieter, and more efficiently in the middle third of it's range.
A PSU will only use the wattage demanded of it, regardless of it's max capability.
Do not skimp on psu quality.
Buy a tier 1 or 2 unit from a list such as this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
You can't go wrong with Seasonic. To save a bit, ignore gold rating and modular.
I might suggest a Seasonic s12II 620w at half the price:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151096

5. Cases are a personal thing.
If you buy a M-ATX sized motherboard, I can personally recommend the Silverstone TJ-08e case.
It is compact, and has a washable front intake air filter.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163182

My canned rant on liquid cooling:
------------------------start of rant-------------------
You buy a liquid cooler to be able to extract an extra multiplier or two out of your OC.
How much do you really need?
I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler like a Noctua or phanteks can do the job just as well.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
google "H100 leak"
I would support an AIO cooler only in a space restricted case.
-----------------------end of rant--------------------------

Your pc will be quieter, more reliable, and will be cooled equally well with a decent air cooler.
 

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Oh, ups, forgot that.
Mostly to play Lol with stream on the other screen. I will also play other more demanding games casually, like Borderlands (hopefully soon 3), Assassins creed, and other AAA games.
I will be using 2x 60 Fps Ips screens, so ny 144 Fps :)

I know the setup is overkill, but i want it to be able to play new AAA games for a long time, and im to lazy to change components
 

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Okay, a looot of responses, thanks so much, What i have come to atm. is I wont buy watercooling (sounded cool, and thought it did not say anything, cause it was liquid, thanks Geofelt).

I should not buy a K processor, but the normal I7 7700, is only 3.6GHz,and the 7700k is 4,2Ghz, even though i wont Clock (sounds complicated to OC). Should i find another processor then?

About the high Ram frequency, it was 10$ more for 3200 instead of 2400, but i will take the 2400.

Motherboard, i shall find a B or H 240 instead of the Z270.

PSU, i will take the exensive PSU, and not a cheap model, will look at different companies, but nothing cheap, got that (thanks again)

More i should think about?
 

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Oh and about the HDD and SSD, i know its a huge waste to go full SSD, but i know i will end up saving a lot of usefull things on my HDD instead, and end up using the wrong drive. I have 500GB SSD in my Laptop and i luv it :3
 
The stock I7-7700K @4.2 is faster than the I7-7700@3.6.
If the $35 difference is not a killer, stick with the 7700K or you will forever wonder if you should have.

3200 speed ram is 2400 speed of sufficient quality that it will run at 3200 speed when overclocked past the stock 1.2 voltage.
Not hard to do with XMP bios settings.
But, not much worth it either.

Here is a chart of different kaby lake chipsets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1151

For you, I see no compelling reasons for other than B250.

If you stick with tier 1 or 2, you will get a very good psu.

It is not a waste to go ssd only.
I have only a 500gb ssd and it holds what I need.
Everything you do will be quicker.
When a ssd was very expensive, it made some sense to micromanage between a small ssd and a hard drive. But not today.

If you ever have a need for bulk storage like videos, you can buy a hard drive later.
 
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Aww i think i didnt press answer after i had written the message :-(
Now i have made it with the B250 instead, and 2400 ram. You are right, i wont need more without OC.
I will keep the 500GB SSD, i have the same on my laptop, and it's lovely, and with my lol folder and the word files on my desktop, it will be enough. The PSU will stay the same expensive one, the supplier does not have the other T1 PSU sadly, so i will rather pay that extra.

Now i just need the cooler. Think it will be "Cooler Master Hyper 212x" or "Enermax ETS-T40F-RF-140mm Winglet" cause they are the most expensive on the list i can choose from (Except liquid, which won't be chosen). Then i need to choose a tower (except the look, is there anything i need to worry about), aand tell my girlfriend (that i have to worry about)

Thanks so much with the help, glad there are some pc experts who can help me spent a lot of money on a pc, and mainly play 60FpS lol on it /(^_^)/