New PC build

orestidilli · Feb 13, 2017

I have a PC with an AMD a10-5700k and an Rx 470 8gb sapphire nitro that unfortunately is bottlenecked by the prosessor so I am looking for an upgrade. I was recommended the Intel i3-7300 prossesor with the MSI B150 M3 gaming mobo to go with it and they cost around 270 euros in total which is in my budget. Do you believe that such a setup is going to pay off or maybe you have something better for me? I also heard something about a new kaby lake i3-7350k I think.(I have 8gb ram and 450w PSU)

greens · Feb 13, 2017

Is it for gaming?
An i3 from kabylake or skylake will get the job done.
But that is about it. Even moving to an RX 480 would put you into bottleneck territory all over again.

So a 7300 or 6300 would work (no point in getting a 7300 if you're putting it in a B150, really) but long term, whole picture... i'd rather see you get a 6600k in a Z170 or a 6700k in a Z270.

Do they cost more? Yes. Are they worth it? absolutely. I don't want you to be in the same position in a year as you are now with your a10. Even going with a 6500 would give you like 3 more years of enjoyable performance.

weberdarren97 · Feb 13, 2017

B150 boards cannot run Kaby Lake CPUs on factory BIOS. You will need a Skylake CPU to update BIOS before you can run Kaby Lake.

What model PSU? 450w is not enough information.

Toby31 · Feb 13, 2017

Get an i5, it wont bottleneck and its better than an i3. If you need to save up, then I would save up.

greens · Feb 13, 2017

And BTW your DDR3 RAM will not be compatible, and your 430W PSU is likely too skinny, and would also need to be replaced.

You're better off building a whole new PC and selling the A10 complete (without a GPU)

weberdarren97 · Feb 13, 2017

greens :

6300 or 7300 bottlenecking an RX 480? Only in CPU driven games.

Do note that the K variants can be run on B or H series chipsets and will operate at their advertised speeds, but you can't overclock without a Z series chipset. This means you could step down on the motherboard and put in a 7350K for the higher speed.

greens :

I agree completely.

greens · Feb 13, 2017

Sure, it won't bottleneck everything, but i didn't say that, it just puts them into territory. Going to a GTX 1080 would certainly bottleneck it, how about we use that for the analogy instead of splitting hairs?

The fact is, and to get back on point with OPs question - no one here on Toms, no rep from Intel, literally no one would ever suggest getting an i3 for the purpose of gaming.

The only place where they should be suggested for gaming are those low cost competitions - but i believe that those give people a false sense of performance.

a 7350k is equally pointless in my opinion. Being able to increase the multipler is nice, but if we multiply nothing by 45 we still get... nothing

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weberdarren97 · Feb 13, 2017

Am I a "no one here on Tom's"? Thanks mate. I still recommend the i3 6100 when budget dictates. Fact of the matter is that not everyone can afford an i5.

What about Ryzen? I've seen some pretty impressive information about it but the point still remains that there are not yet any professional reviews.

axehead15 · Feb 13, 2017

If you are on a budget of that price and still want to use your DDR3 RAM, instead of going to an i3, why not just upgrade to:

AMD FX-8350 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284&cm_re=fx-8350-_-19-113-284-_-Product

150$

and

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132836&cm_re=am3-_-13-132-836-_-Product

57$

Your PSU is still worrisome, but at least here you would not be bottlenecked by your CPU

weberdarren97 · Feb 13, 2017

axehead15 :

Yes let's put a 125W CPU on a board with 4 VRMs which have no cooling whatsoever.

Not only is FX dead thanks to age and architectural mistakes on AMD's part, but that motherboard will really struggle to run an FX 8350 and be stable even with a good PSU.

axehead15 · Feb 13, 2017

weberdarren97 :

Only reason I suggested that board is because IDK whether his case has room for an ATX, so going by OPs budget. It isn't pretty but should work at least, depending on PSU.

weberdarren97 · Feb 13, 2017

axehead15 :

weberdarren97 :

Only reason I suggested that board is because IDK whether his case has room for an ATX, so going by OPs budget. It isn't pretty but should work at least, depending on PSU.

Can't guarantee it will be stable at times of high CPU load even with a good PSU and without OC.

greens · Feb 13, 2017

Y'all need to slow down.

FX-8350 (OR ANY FX chips for that matter) aren't even compatible. FX series is AM3+ and he has an FM2 so i don't even know what you guys are going on about. Round pegs don't fit in square holes.

axehead15 · Feb 13, 2017

greens :

You didn't read the whole thread boss

I put an AM3+ Motherboard in there, a cheap mATX one. The issue that the other fella here has with my pick is that he only runs a cheap PSU and the motherboard is a crappy one. I was just matching his budget

Toby31 · Feb 13, 2017

If he don't wanna bottleneck he should save up and get a good i5 and a mobo. Maybe a g2 psu too. You can still use the ram and card.

orestidilli · Feb 13, 2017

So to give you guys a clearer picture the PSU is a corsair vs series 450w. and I am looking for a gaming mobo and CPU combo at around 250-300euros(I don't know exact price in dollars) in order to get a more decent performance and avoid the bottleneck . I am looking for suggestions cause I have heard a lot of opinions i3s i5s the new ryzen and I haven't decided yet on the exact components I'm going to use.

weberdarren97 · Feb 13, 2017

orestidilli :

Recycle that immediately. It's worse than an actual potato because at least a potato can't send a surge through your system and destroy your motherboard and graphics card.

orestidilli :

I'm guessing we now have to fit a PSU into that budget?

orestidilli · Feb 14, 2017

Well I have heard that this PSU is going to handle an upgrade but still what do you reccomend for a new psu

Toby31 · Feb 14, 2017

Any G2 at least 500w. Full modular too.

orestidilli · Feb 14, 2017

so i think the best choices are the following
a 6600k in a z170
or
a FX-8350 on an am3+ mobo

both are good for what im looking for and in budget
which one do you believe is a better combo
both also have ddr3 ram compatability
however the psu is weak so i was wondering if maybe it could even temporarily hold the intel cpu mobo combo.would it maybe kill anything in the pc or present problems? i am going to buy a new psu definetely but in the future

axehead15 · Feb 14, 2017

orestidilli :

The i5-6600k is sexier, but make sure the motherboard specifically says that it supports DDR3 as well as DDR4.However, if you plan on streaming to Twitch at all, you are better off with the FX-8350

orestidilli · Feb 14, 2017

Are there motherboards that support both ddr3 and ddr4?

axehead15 · Feb 14, 2017

orestidilli :

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007627%20600567584%204814%20600036387

All of those support DDR3 which is what is important to you atm.

weberdarren97 · Feb 14, 2017

Toby31 :

Seasonic S12ii Bronze offers great performance on a budget and then the M12ii Bronze EVO Edition (basically modular S12ii) offers a fully modular design for only slightly more. I'd say the 520W variant of either one would be plenty for your system.

axehead15 :

DDR3 should not be used with Skylake. You need DDR3L (low voltage) which is much harder to find good deals on. Using standard DDR3 (1.5V) will damage the memory controller within the CPU.

Thanks to these complications, I don't recommend DDR3 with Skylake.

orestidilli · Feb 14, 2017

So which one is better performing? The 6600k or the 8350?

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