Upgrading my system on a budget - Help!

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SlimTimDoWork

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Hello!

I currently have this:

CyberPowerPC Case
Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2PT Mobo
Turbolink ATX-XG500w PSU
AMD FX-4300 @ 3.8ghz CPU
Radeon HD 7750 Sapphire Low-Profile 1gb gddr5 GPU
8GB DDR3 Ram
1tb Toshiba HDD

I have decided that my budget is about $450

I have been told that my CPU is just plain bad so here is a parts list that I have come up with:

EVGA 500 W1 100-W1-0500-KR 80+ WHITE 500W Power Supply

AMD FX-8350 Black Edition Vishera 8-Core 4.0 GHz

MSI 970A-G43 Plus AM3+/AM3 AMD 970 & SB950

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900)

EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti SC GAMING, 04G-P4-6253-KR, 4GB GDDR5

I will also be getting another case fan. Im wondering if there are any other options for around the same price to make my PC able to play games like BF1, Doom, etc.
 
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Chugalug_
You need a new PC altogether, format the HDD and move it over to the following list, your power supply very nearly a fire hazard, its a low tier off brand unit. :(
The card I listed is $164.99 on Newegg after a mail in rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137049&cm_re=RX_480-_-14-137-049-_-Product

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($61.99 @ Jet)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.77 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower...
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You need a new PC altogether, format the HDD and move it over to the following list, your power supply very nearly a fire hazard, its a low tier off brand unit. :(
The card I listed is $164.99 on Newegg after a mail in rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137049&cm_re=RX_480-_-14-137-049-_-Product

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($61.99 @ Jet)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.77 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Other: MSI GAMING Radeon RX 480 GDDR5 4GB CrossFire VR Ready FinFET DirectX 12 Graphics Card (RX 480 ARMOR 4G OC) ($164.99)
Total: $433.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-14 17:10 EST-0500


 
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I would agree with Corwin, that it may be worth waiting a bit longer to see how AMD's Ryzen CPUs turn out, since they're going to start releasing soon. The Ryzen chips will most likely be significantly faster and more efficient than AMD's current chips, and probably a much better value than Intel's. They need a new AM4 motherboard and DDR4 RAM, but it looks like you were planning on replacing those things anyway.
 
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AMD simply don't have the R&D or development of Intel when it comes to CPUs at the current time.
Their Ryzen CPUs look set to make big waves in the high end rendering market, but keep in mind they are a much smaller company who haven't made CPUs in 5 years, and also have to split their R&D budget with their graphics cards which are a much larger market.
You can't expect them to overtake Intel or be as competitive in the consumer gaming space in one generation.
In addition with the new hyperthreaded pentiums you can get i3 performance for $60.
 
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Intel has been more or less rehashing the same series of CPUs for years as well, with minimal performance gains, yet they've been using their lack of competition at the upper-mid to high end to keep prices of their CPUs artificially high, despite cost reductions. It should not be particularly hard for AMD to significantly undercut them on a price to performance ratio.

As for "splitting their R&D budget", that's nonsense. One could likewise say that Intel has to split their R&D budget with their SSD development, or any other part of their company. Plus, AMD reuses their GPU tech for the integrated graphics found in some of their CPUs, just as Intel does.

Will they "overtake Intel" any time soon? Not likely, since companies have multi-year agreements in place, and many people like to stick to what they know. It's certainly possible for them to be very "competitive in the consumer gaming space" this year though, just as they were back around the Athlon64 days.

I still say, at least wait some weeks for the first Ryzen hardware to start coming out, if you can, to see how it performs. AMD has a whole lineup of chips coming out soon, even in the lower-end of the market.
 
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I'm not defending either brand, i'm stating facts here...
Intel hasn't been rehashing anything, rehashing is the process of rebranding the same product as a new one, or with slightly higher clocks similar to the R9 290/390 fiasco.
Each generation up until Kaby Lake (which was a refresh of the 14nm process, still new chips etc.) has been based on a new architecture and has featured an average of a 10% performance improvement clock for clock, and better power efficiency.
It is just that AMD doesn't have as much cash to use CPUs, as their main net worth is in the GPU market and has been for quite a while. Intel source their NAND from SK Hynix and have a separate department with its own funding, with the main focus being on CPUs as per Intel's norm.

I'm stating that a company ranked 51st on the Fortune 500 vs one that is rated 593 is going to have more funding, and in addition they have had much more experience in the CPU market in the past decade.
During the Athlon days AMD were fantastic, and as I stated their new CPUs probably will be good as well, but just not quite as good as Intel for the money in the lower end, nothing wrong with that.
 
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Leaked pricing seems to indicate that they'll have quad-core processors in a similar price bracket as Intel's current dual-core i3 processors. It's still too early to say whether or not those will perform similar on a per-core basis, but it seems likely that they might not be far off. At the very least, it might be worth waiting a few weeks to see how that turns out.

The Pentium G4560 might currently be a good buy for the money, but it also points out how much Intel's core-series chips are currently marked up. If they can offer near-i3 performance for a little over $60, there's no reason that a similar i3 processor should cost twice that much.
 
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Yes, but there is more to CPUs than cores and clock speed, the IPC gains may be good compared to bulldozer etc, but they won't be as good as Intel's current 7xxx nomenclature.
Every manufacturer marks up products, realistically an i7 may cost $5 to actually make with raw resources, but the facilities, tech, shipping and production costs, overhead, development, worker pay etc. take up a huge chunk of cost, and they have to make a marginal profit on top of all that as well.
All tech companies do it, its called capitalism. :)
 
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