is this a good 144hz monitor?
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photonboy
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1) 3d monitor support is pretty much dead, just FYI
2) You mean THIS ONE?
https://www.amazon.ca/Acer-Widescreen-Monitor-Nvidia-3DLightboost/dp/B00KO4518I
It seems good for what it is. (note that Amazon mixes up comments, so many may not be for this product). It does have a TN panel so the color won't be quite as good as IPS and the viewing angles will distort color a bit (usually not a big deal if you sit center on the image).
3) You'll need a Dual-Link DVI output. You probably do already.
4) Are you replacing or adding another monitor?
Just curious. If you're wanting more real estate I'd look into a larger monitor with more pixels.
If you have more than one monitor I recommend the have a similar panel type (TN, IPS) and run the same refresh (144Hz).
5) USEFUL LINK: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/
6) Note that if you get SCREEN TEARING it's useful to set an Adaptive (NVidia) or Dynamic (AMD) VSYNC "HALF" option to synch to 72FPS. That maxes at 72FPS (no screen tearing) but turns VSYNC OFF if you can't output 72FPS from the GPU (screen tear, but not the added stutter that VSYNC gives if you can't reach the proper FPS).
Not sure how AMD works, but for NVidia:
NCP-> Manage 3d settings-> add game-> Half Adaptive VSYNC-> save (then test)
I aim for minimal drops below 72FPS. You'll find the best balance (again, you get screen tearing, but not the added stuttering)
2) You mean THIS ONE?
https://www.amazon.ca/Acer-Widescreen-Monitor-Nvidia-3DLightboost/dp/B00KO4518I
It seems good for what it is. (note that Amazon mixes up comments, so many may not be for this product). It does have a TN panel so the color won't be quite as good as IPS and the viewing angles will distort color a bit (usually not a big deal if you sit center on the image).
3) You'll need a Dual-Link DVI output. You probably do already.
4) Are you replacing or adding another monitor?
Just curious. If you're wanting more real estate I'd look into a larger monitor with more pixels.
If you have more than one monitor I recommend the have a similar panel type (TN, IPS) and run the same refresh (144Hz).
5) USEFUL LINK: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/
6) Note that if you get SCREEN TEARING it's useful to set an Adaptive (NVidia) or Dynamic (AMD) VSYNC "HALF" option to synch to 72FPS. That maxes at 72FPS (no screen tearing) but turns VSYNC OFF if you can't output 72FPS from the GPU (screen tear, but not the added stutter that VSYNC gives if you can't reach the proper FPS).
Not sure how AMD works, but for NVidia:
NCP-> Manage 3d settings-> add game-> Half Adaptive VSYNC-> save (then test)
I aim for minimal drops below 72FPS. You'll find the best balance (again, you get screen tearing, but not the added stuttering)
photonboy
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As I'm not clear on whether this is a replacement or not, here's some other options:
1) FREESYNC, 1080p, 144Hz (if you have a newer AMD graphics card this can run in asynchronous mode. if by itself. That makes gaming smoother, and no need to hit a specific FPS.
It's not a 3D monitor but for $340 (the other one was $300) I'd go this way if you have an AMD card.
2) 2560x1440, 60Hz, IPS ($400CDN)
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/YZn2FT/benq-monitor-gw2765ht
Probably not what you want, but it's the same specs as the monitor I have. I prefer more pixels, with a better quality IPS panel. It makes desktop usage better, but really shines for games with smaller hud/text like CIV5, StarCraft 2 (even shooters with small text, but also reduces aliasing), and it's noticeably larger.
27" looks a lot bigger than 24" (measure 3" on an angle to the top-right of your 24" screen).
1) FREESYNC, 1080p, 144Hz (if you have a newer AMD graphics card this can run in asynchronous mode. if by itself. That makes gaming smoother, and no need to hit a specific FPS.
It's not a 3D monitor but for $340 (the other one was $300) I'd go this way if you have an AMD card.
2) 2560x1440, 60Hz, IPS ($400CDN)
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/YZn2FT/benq-monitor-gw2765ht
Probably not what you want, but it's the same specs as the monitor I have. I prefer more pixels, with a better quality IPS panel. It makes desktop usage better, but really shines for games with smaller hud/text like CIV5, StarCraft 2 (even shooters with small text, but also reduces aliasing), and it's noticeably larger.
27" looks a lot bigger than 24" (measure 3" on an angle to the top-right of your 24" screen).
2) yes I mean that monitor
4) I am going to use duel monitors one that is a 60hz piece of crap "SHARP" monitor that I will use for watching streams and whatnot. I will use the new 144hz monitor for gaming.
6) With the build I am getting I without a doubt in my mind be able to get over 144hz
Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB STRIX Video Card
Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
Corsair RMx 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply\
Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
16gb (8gb x2) Corsair VENGENCE LPX
photonboy
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1) Not sure what else I can add, as I gave the link to monitors.
2) MIXING refresh rates may be an issue and cause STUTTERING issues and/or screen tearing. It was an issue, however not certain if mixing 144Hz + 60Hz works fine now or not.
Pretty sure a game running "WINDOWED MODE" would be a problem since both screens should be running the same frequency for that to work properly. Not sure if there's some combination that works fine (such as game running FULLSCREEN on the main Windows screen at 144Hz, and the 60Hz just being the Extended screen?).
*I admit I'm not sure how things currently are. You would have to TEST things yourself.
3) Just FYI, but MOST modern, demanding games dip below 144FPS. Look through the list of games, and note that many games dip under 75% of the AVERAGE value that's shown. In fact, I've had to TWEAK the settings for several games to maintain a solid 60FPS.
Roughly speaking, 80FPS average is needed to have minimal dips below 60FPS though every game varies. Some games can frequently drop below 50% of the average value.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_STRIX/16.html
Since you won't have GSYNC you'll have to use HALF ADAPTIVE VSYNC (72FPS on 144Hz screen) if you want to avoid screen tearing, and in addition you'd also need to TWEAK the game settings for same games to get a stable 72FPS. The ONLY time I recommend normal VSYNC ON is if you rarely drop below 144FPS.
Most games have settings that can be lowered with minimal visual impact. You have to experiment but you should ALWAYS BE TWEAKING TOWARDS A SPECIFIC GOAL (not just setting to "Ultra" and accepting whatever FPS and game smoothness you get from that).
VSYNC OFF is ideal for many people if the amount of screen tearing is minimal. It varies by the game, and your settings, so it's not possible to predict exactly what will work. You just have to experiment.
Sorry if that's confusing. Again, you do NOT want to use normal VSYNC if you frequently drop below the target (i.e. 144FPS) because that creates a synch mis-match which creates stuttering (stuttering can exist for other reasons as well).
Huh? Why? Because the MONITOR (non-GSYNC) updates at 144x per second according to what's in the buffer. However, VSYNC will not mix different frames (to avoid screen tearing which is causes by mixing the content of more than one frame).
So if the new FRAME isn't created in time (under 1/144th of a second) the buffer will not be updated with the new content. What WILL happen is the monitor will instead draw the EXACT SAME FRAME again.
The final result over a period of one second is that you end up mixing MULTIPLES of 1/144th of a second depending. Some may be 1/144th exactly, some may be 2/144th and so on.
The result is called "micro-stuttering" and shows up as a quick stuttering especially when panning quickly.
2) MIXING refresh rates may be an issue and cause STUTTERING issues and/or screen tearing. It was an issue, however not certain if mixing 144Hz + 60Hz works fine now or not.
Pretty sure a game running "WINDOWED MODE" would be a problem since both screens should be running the same frequency for that to work properly. Not sure if there's some combination that works fine (such as game running FULLSCREEN on the main Windows screen at 144Hz, and the 60Hz just being the Extended screen?).
*I admit I'm not sure how things currently are. You would have to TEST things yourself.
3) Just FYI, but MOST modern, demanding games dip below 144FPS. Look through the list of games, and note that many games dip under 75% of the AVERAGE value that's shown. In fact, I've had to TWEAK the settings for several games to maintain a solid 60FPS.
Roughly speaking, 80FPS average is needed to have minimal dips below 60FPS though every game varies. Some games can frequently drop below 50% of the average value.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_STRIX/16.html
Since you won't have GSYNC you'll have to use HALF ADAPTIVE VSYNC (72FPS on 144Hz screen) if you want to avoid screen tearing, and in addition you'd also need to TWEAK the game settings for same games to get a stable 72FPS. The ONLY time I recommend normal VSYNC ON is if you rarely drop below 144FPS.
Most games have settings that can be lowered with minimal visual impact. You have to experiment but you should ALWAYS BE TWEAKING TOWARDS A SPECIFIC GOAL (not just setting to "Ultra" and accepting whatever FPS and game smoothness you get from that).
VSYNC OFF is ideal for many people if the amount of screen tearing is minimal. It varies by the game, and your settings, so it's not possible to predict exactly what will work. You just have to experiment.
Sorry if that's confusing. Again, you do NOT want to use normal VSYNC if you frequently drop below the target (i.e. 144FPS) because that creates a synch mis-match which creates stuttering (stuttering can exist for other reasons as well).
Huh? Why? Because the MONITOR (non-GSYNC) updates at 144x per second according to what's in the buffer. However, VSYNC will not mix different frames (to avoid screen tearing which is causes by mixing the content of more than one frame).
So if the new FRAME isn't created in time (under 1/144th of a second) the buffer will not be updated with the new content. What WILL happen is the monitor will instead draw the EXACT SAME FRAME again.
The final result over a period of one second is that you end up mixing MULTIPLES of 1/144th of a second depending. Some may be 1/144th exactly, some may be 2/144th and so on.
The result is called "micro-stuttering" and shows up as a quick stuttering especially when panning quickly.
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