Xeon X5670 vs i5-7500

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Hi. I was thinking about this build:

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- Xeon X5670 (will OC)
- MSI X58A-GD65 (lack of ASUS Sabertooth X58 now, can't find any)
- 6GB RAM Corsair 1333 MHz (will OC, and I think I will put another 6GB)
- MSI Radeon R9 290
And lately about this build too:

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- i5-7500
- MSI H110M
- RAM 8GB 2133 MHz 
- MSI Radeon R9 290
Both are in nearly the same price. Also, don't need to tell me that I can buy RX480, R9 290 is second-hand and cheaper, I have limited budget (~$800).
Which one is better for gaming in 1080p, streaming, making videos, graphics, music? I mean listening to music and making too. If Xeon is better, will it handle Mac OS X, cause I want to use Logic Pro? Thanks!
 
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Best thing I can think of is to find Intel DX58S0 Extreme motherboard LGA 1366 and ECC compatible.

If you need can find a old Dell server "Free" would best but we can all dream. With X5660 or higher with ECC RAM. The ECC RAM is more reliable than non ECC. Try Electronic recycle places.

Then all you need is a "New" PSU (a bad PSU can cause write errors and damage MOBO/CPU/RAM) or loss your game data.

Pro - You build a cool and powerful computer that cost a few hundred dollars.
Con - If you need to sell it...no one would want a computer with almost 10 year old parts. I tried the 771 to 775 mod in the past....no one want's that stuff. I still have it.
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Doesn't work with 7th gen. Overclocking Skylake had to have Z170 and an older BIOS. New bios to support kaby lake loses OC function on non-K chips. Z270 never had non-K OC


H110 Needs the bios update before you install the 7th gen. Or consider a B250 motherboard. Also 7th gen uses 2400 DDR4. Memory controller is in the chip not the board. The x58 although good, is really old. Xeon chips are plenty, the boards are few. I think the newer parts will do much better, and there is 6 core coffeelake cpu coming to the platform.
 
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So, R9 290 will perform better on i5-7500 instead of Xeon OC to 4.0-4.2? Heard about that AMD has heavy drivers, though I didn't know it needs good single core performance. Tho, Intel and Windows are fixing lacks of motherboard drivers and BCLK overclocking isn't available anymore, so that's a shame. Though, if I'd like to go overclocking Kaby Lake or Skylake, I'd rather choose i5-6600K or i5-7600K for sure. It's just too expensive for me to get Z-series motherboard and Skylake / Kaby Lake K-processor :( I oscillate in budget of ~$320 for CPU, cooler, motherboard and RAM... So, what's the final answer just thinking about these 2 builds, or 3 when we have the thing I can change H110 motherboard to B250 and 2133 MHz RAM to 2400 MHz?
@edit - It can be not that much difference of price between i5-7500 + H110 motherboard and i5-7600K and Z170 motherboard in dollars, though for me it's "4x more expensive" as we have PLN. For you it can be around $80, for us it's around 340 PLN :( + cooler for it costs 50$, 200 PLN :/
@edit2 - Isn't it better for Catalyst then if 2 cores in Xeon are free in most of games, so it won't corrupt? Means I would overclock Xeon, disable 2 cores in games (propably core 0 and core 1, or depends which one is used by Catalyst) and it runs smoothly?
 
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If i where in you i would overclock the crap out of that Xeon. Xeon LGA 1366 CPU's has proven time after time to be great when it comes to overclock. I have seen many of then clock between 4.2 and 4.6 GHz. Depending on Vcore needed. If you use a stock cooler or other cheat crap cooler now, get a good one before you beginning overclock it. They need a good cooler to hit hig clocks with in safe temp range.

I dont have a Xeon but there I7 counter part in form of a I7 980X clokket in at 4.2 GHz for every day use but can clock to 4.6-4.7 GHz if needed but heat at those clocks with air cooling is becoming a problem and needed voltage also. I also have 2 GTX 970 in sli in my system and with that CPU and GPU´s it eats all the games i throw at it includeing the latest game i got just a week a go BF1 maxed all out at 1080P and getting between 80 and 120 FPS in single player while multiplayer drops a bit at the same settings but that is a game that came out last year. else the witcher 3, GTA V and a bunch of others games runs great aswell.

about GPU that is a power hungry one you have now and by upgrading to a never part it will save you on the power bill aswell give you a better gaming exspirience.

Getting 6 GB more ram so you have 12 GB is a good i dead and will help getting games run better.

Here is some screenshots of my system from 3Dmark Fire Strike run.

All stock here.

http://peecee.dk/uploads/022017/3DMark_Fire_Strike_I7_980X_alt_stock.jpg

Here the score is with my every day overclock on CPU aswell as GPU´s

http://peecee.dk/uploads/022017/3Dmark_Fire_Strike_4.2_GHz.jpg

Last screenshot is when the system is pushed to its apselute max.

http://peecee.dk/uploads/022017/3Dmark_Firestrike_I7_980X_4.7_GHz.jpg

If you still want new hardware, then at least wait for AMD to release there Ryzen CPU´s early next next month an se what they can do (early benchmarks looks promising) and if you still want a Intel CPU and AMD dosent fail to deliver when still wait cause intel might release some thing new and/or be forced to lower there cpu prices depending on how AMD ryzen performe against Intels newest chips.
 
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Well the 1366 is first gen I7, and the 6 core Xeon did breath life into them. But the mainstream performance leap in Gen2 Sandybridge was huge (though a side grade from 1366) and since then we have had incremental upgrades. 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and now the 7th Generation. And the Xeon does not have the AVX instructions that the new chip has, nor the IGP Quick Sync feature.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-X5650-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7500/m355vs3648

1366 is from 2008? do you want to trust a 9 year old motherboard?


I5 7500, B250 motherboard, and 8GB 2400MHz DDR4
I5 6500, H110 motherboard, and 8GB 2133MHz DDR4
Xeon x5670, x58 motherboard, 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 and cooler to OC with. The ram rises with FSB so need some headroom. I took an I3 530 to 4.4 with h55 and 1600MHz ddr3 at 200 fsb.

These are the suggestions that just work, without bios hassles. You can run a 7500, H110, and 2400 DDR4 together but the bios has to be updated with kaby lake support before assembling and that takes a skylake chip to boot and flash.
 
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Sure, I got the thing of overclocking, of course I have choosen the cooler which should handle cooling overclocked Xeon. Also, I've been just thinking about upgrading to 12 GB RAM, true, so I think I'll go for Xeon X5650, overclock it, and for saved 150 PLN buy another 6GB RAM.
Another thing is that yeah, motherboards are new, just OEM versions, from exposition. There are also used ones with pins straighten up, though I think I won't risk to buy them. Another thing - isn't FSB over with 1st Intel generation? As I heard well, they have abandoned FSB to implement QTP to the processors.
One more thing - what graphics should I choose then? I didn't find anything interesting in budget of 140$, maybe new GTX 1050 Ti but performance is worse. Found GTX 780 too, but it's not that great deal as they have abandoned this graphics and has very low FPS for example in Vulkan, and it has pretty high power consumption, too. Also, PSU I wanted to choose is SilentiumPC Supremo L2 550W, 80+ Gold.
Oh and I forgot to say that this board, like ASUS Sabertooth X58 and some other boards with this specification (2x SATA 3, 2x USB 3.0) are from year 2010 :p
 
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LGA 1366 socket CPU´s oc by BCLK if locket or if unlocket as mine is you can OC with bofh BCLK or/and Multiplier and they Use a QPI-link.

About graphics i think the bedst option is to save up some more. 140 $ is not much to have for a proper gaming GPU. If i where you, i would save up some more and then sell you old GPU and try to find a Used GTX 1070 or maybe wait for AMD´s new Vega cards to come. Cause that will properly cause older cards to drop even more on price and then you might be lucky to get a good cheap card. GTX 1070 at that time will maybe also drop in price. There is also another option and that is to find another R9 290 and run crossfire with two cards but just as SLI crossfire does also have som negative sides as even higher power use and will only give ekstra performence is games that support crossfire and you need to be sure that your PSU can handle it as well + that your motherboard needs to support crossfire.

Edit: That motherboard i have now is also a second gen X58 board. With USB 3 and Sata 3/600. But Sata 3 is not at full speed cause of the Marvell controller these boards use. Mine is a Asus P6X58D Premium.

Can i ask what cooling for your CPU you use?
My Cooling setup is Noctua NH-D14 but replaced stock fans with 3 Silverstone FM121 120 MM fans and use thermal grizzly kryonaut cooling paste. That is an effective setup to keep these old hot chips at low temp when OC.

Ilde temp
http://peecee.dk/uploads/022017/Ilde_temp_4.2_GHz_laveste_gan_speed.jpg

Load temp
http://peecee.dk/uploads/022017/Load_temp_4.2_GHz_max_fanspeed._Stor_FFT.jpg
 
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Ahh, I was sure I mentioned cooler I wanted to buy somewhere. It's SilentiumPC Grandis 2. It has one 140mm fan and one 120mm fan, so it may be a little, maybe 3°C hotter than Raijintek Tisis or Noctua NH-14, but it's also much cheaper.
I have a friend who has R9 380 and performance is enough for me, I guess, also I have REALLY limited budget and I don't know won't I need to save more. I think you have seen that I choose R9 290 too. I picked up used mobo, CPU, GPU and RAM, and new case (with good air condition), PSU, SSD and HDD. I had an offer with ASUS Sabertooth X58, i7 950 and 6GB RAM for 800 PLN earlier. I would go for it, but... Parents, as always :D They make me wait all the time cause they need to ask IT specialist, like I'm stupid and can't pair computer parts :p That's also them who limit my budget. I need to close in budget of 3000 PLN, I think even with screen in this price.
 
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Best thing I can think of is to find Intel DX58S0 Extreme motherboard LGA 1366 and ECC compatible.

If you need can find a old Dell server "Free" would best but we can all dream. With X5660 or higher with ECC RAM. The ECC RAM is more reliable than non ECC. Try Electronic recycle places.

Then all you need is a "New" PSU (a bad PSU can cause write errors and damage MOBO/CPU/RAM) or loss your game data.

Pro - You build a cool and powerful computer that cost a few hundred dollars.
Con - If you need to sell it...no one would want a computer with almost 10 year old parts. I tried the 771 to 775 mod in the past....no one want's that stuff. I still have it.
 
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