Hello, currenly i have an intel g3258 and i wanna upgrade it, my question is if i should upgrade to i5 6600k and buy new motherboard and ram or i should get a i5 4690k and save money, or if there is something better for gaming in 1080p withoutb breaking the bank.
Upgrade to to skylake or stay haswell
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^^Yes Ryzen will be very good it may not beat intel head on but it will offer best Price/Performance
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Not for him since he already has a motherboard. Ryzen MB+CPU may* be a better value than Skylake MB+CPU, but it can't beat Haswell CPU only.
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Ryzen is supposed to bring @40% better IPC than the current FX Cpus, or basically bring AMD upto Haswell ability. Makes absolutely no sense to trade Haswell for Haswell and spend a ton of money changing mobo, cpu and ram to do so.
Stick with the 4690k, or even a i7 4790k or Xeon if there's no point in an unlocked cpu.
Stick with the 4690k, or even a i7 4790k or Xeon if there's no point in an unlocked cpu.
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What is your motherboard?
If it is an overclockable z motherboard, your best bet will be a I5-4690K with an overclock.
If it is not overclockable, a I7-4790k running at stock will be the strongest.
Other options require a motherboard change and all that entails.
Speculation abounds on Ryzen.
My guess is that it will follow the path of the FX releases. Very good for batch multithreaded apps, not so great for gaming.
If it is an overclockable z motherboard, your best bet will be a I5-4690K with an overclock.
If it is not overclockable, a I7-4790k running at stock will be the strongest.
Other options require a motherboard change and all that entails.
Speculation abounds on Ryzen.
My guess is that it will follow the path of the FX releases. Very good for batch multithreaded apps, not so great for gaming.
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You guys are forgetting that most z97 mobos can use broadwell cpu's as well. While they may not out perform an i7-4790k, they are lower TDP with better iGPUs - and possibly cheaper these days. Depends on what OP needs/wants right now and when CPU/MOBO/RAM upgrade is gonna happen vs just interim CPU upgrade. Remember going to Skylake means you have to buy DDR4 Ram as well as a new MOBO.
Also I'm not sure what geofelt is talking about. I've never seen a motherboard that will prevent you from overclocking, even if you have to do it from software in windows - but I've never looked for one, and if you did have one, you certainly wouldn't want to pay extra for a K version CPU, as in buy the cheaper i7-4790 not the i7-4790K (K denotes unlocked CPU for overclocking).
Also I'm not sure what geofelt is talking about. I've never seen a motherboard that will prevent you from overclocking, even if you have to do it from software in windows - but I've never looked for one, and if you did have one, you certainly wouldn't want to pay extra for a K version CPU, as in buy the cheaper i7-4790 not the i7-4790K (K denotes unlocked CPU for overclocking).
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I'll add another vote for sticking with haswell. Either an i5 or i7 will be the best upgrade for the money. If it's a z series motherboard you have consider the k series cpu's and a decent aftermarket cooler to overclock it a bit. The slight performance increase with skylake isn't worth a new cpu, mobo and ddr4 ram along with reinstalling windows.
Continuing with that logic, if it doesn't make sense going with a whole new cpu, mobo and ddr4 ram for skylake it certainly doesn't make sense to go with a new ryzen cpu, motherboard and ddr4 ram along with a reinstall of windows simply because it's 'close to haswell performance'. Best case scenario is an unnecessary and expensive sidegrade.
Broadwell cpu's are few and far between, they offer no significant advantage and often perform worse than haswell refresh/devil's canyon. Their only real boon was the improved igpu which hardly anyone uses. Haswell's igpu is plenty for basic tasks, if someone is going to game they're going to use a dedicated gpu 99x out of 100.
I'm not sure what StupidComputers is talking about, they may not be familiar with intel motherboards the past 4-5yrs. Software overclocking is a poor way to go about it, overclocking through the bios is preferred. Software cannot overclock or unlock the cpu via some magic if the motherboard doesn't support it. The only way to achieve any sort of overclock on all but maybe 1 or 2 non z series boards is through baseclock (bclk) overclocking which nets very little performance before creating instability. Only k series cpu's have an unlocked multiplier and to take full advantage you should use a z series motherboard. Some bios' versions attempted to skirt the overclocking but microcode via bios updates and windows updates closes that.
Contrary to StupidComputers suggestion there's no reason to get a 4790k over a 4790 if you have a non z board, there is. The fact the 4790k is 400mhz faster out of the box, it's not the same as the i5 4690 vs 4690k where they share identical factory clocks out of the box. For the extra price you're getting a faster cpu with the 4790k whether you overclock it or not.
Continuing with that logic, if it doesn't make sense going with a whole new cpu, mobo and ddr4 ram for skylake it certainly doesn't make sense to go with a new ryzen cpu, motherboard and ddr4 ram along with a reinstall of windows simply because it's 'close to haswell performance'. Best case scenario is an unnecessary and expensive sidegrade.
Broadwell cpu's are few and far between, they offer no significant advantage and often perform worse than haswell refresh/devil's canyon. Their only real boon was the improved igpu which hardly anyone uses. Haswell's igpu is plenty for basic tasks, if someone is going to game they're going to use a dedicated gpu 99x out of 100.
I'm not sure what StupidComputers is talking about, they may not be familiar with intel motherboards the past 4-5yrs. Software overclocking is a poor way to go about it, overclocking through the bios is preferred. Software cannot overclock or unlock the cpu via some magic if the motherboard doesn't support it. The only way to achieve any sort of overclock on all but maybe 1 or 2 non z series boards is through baseclock (bclk) overclocking which nets very little performance before creating instability. Only k series cpu's have an unlocked multiplier and to take full advantage you should use a z series motherboard. Some bios' versions attempted to skirt the overclocking but microcode via bios updates and windows updates closes that.
Contrary to StupidComputers suggestion there's no reason to get a 4790k over a 4790 if you have a non z board, there is. The fact the 4790k is 400mhz faster out of the box, it's not the same as the i5 4690 vs 4690k where they share identical factory clocks out of the box. For the extra price you're getting a faster cpu with the 4790k whether you overclock it or not.
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The OP indicated his use was for gaming.
For lga1150, the only motherboards capable of raising the multiplier on K processors are the Z97 and Z87 chipset motherboards.
BCLK overclocking may be possible, but the 1-2% gain is not worth much.
I7-4790 runs stock at 3.6 clock. I7-4790K runs stock at 4.0. The price difference is minimal.
If you have a Z97 motherboard for instance, either the i5-4690K@3.5 and the i7-4790K@4.0 can typically be overclocked to the 4.2-4.4 range, depending on the chip.
For the gamer who rarely can use more than 2-3 threads, the I7 hyperthreads will go largely unused. That makes the I5-4690K with an overclock a good value at $100 cheaper than a I7
For lga1150, the only motherboards capable of raising the multiplier on K processors are the Z97 and Z87 chipset motherboards.
BCLK overclocking may be possible, but the 1-2% gain is not worth much.
I7-4790 runs stock at 3.6 clock. I7-4790K runs stock at 4.0. The price difference is minimal.
If you have a Z97 motherboard for instance, either the i5-4690K@3.5 and the i7-4790K@4.0 can typically be overclocked to the 4.2-4.4 range, depending on the chip.
For the gamer who rarely can use more than 2-3 threads, the I7 hyperthreads will go largely unused. That makes the I5-4690K with an overclock a good value at $100 cheaper than a I7
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