Building a PC that has zero waiting time

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I am NOT a gamer, but heard this is a great place to ask questions for smart PC people.

I just want to build a PC that has no waiting time.

When I click a program, I want it to immediately open.

My current PC, it takes 10 seconds or so to open Excel.

For some programs, like Photoshop, in can take up to a minute.

Would one of you great folks help me build a PC that is super fast and can handle several programs being open at once?

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Given everything in both video and photos is moving towards 4k (in the VERY near future, over the next year actually) you might as well prepare for it.
Let me know if you need a CD drive, it's uncommon since most stuff is flash nowadays, but if you want one and don't want a USB external optical drive I can change the case to acommodate one.

I've included a 4k ready video card for your convenience, and a 4k monitor.
By the way, use the SSD for storing the OS, relevant videos or images etc. being rendered from photoshop or Adobe, and software, as it will speed up loading times in these due to the fast speed of the SSD compared to a hard drive.
Use the HDD to store main files or for archiving stuff.
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Okay, the above response with the essay is stupidly over complicated, it isn't that over the top or complex @OP.
You just need a solid system with an SSD for storage.
What are your key uses? Do you render any video or do any 3D modelling work?

How much storage space do you need? Is it only documents and stuff or do you also store videos or high capacity files?
Do you need portability?
What is your budget?
Do you need a monitor/ ergonomic keyboard/mouse included?

 
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To answer some questions:

- No gaming. Just a super fast computer. I want to click a program and it immediately open. No waiting time. No loading.

- I didn't have a budget in mind, but thinking about it now I'd like to stay under $2,000 if possible.
 
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Here's an example of what you would get with a $1200 budget for a regular productivity rendering workload.
I can adjust this to any price point.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Ultra Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($158.33 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Jet)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 2GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define S ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($45.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1196.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-19 19:57 EST-0500
 
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I can't figure out how to quote a post on here but thanks jdlech for the detailed answered. I think I need specific hardware mentioned because I'm not technical enough to figure out everything you said haha
 
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The only way to have no loading time is to run 16 or 32 GB of ram and put the programs you want access to in startup then just leave them minimized.

Back in the real world, a sata or m.2 SSD will yield practically no wait time and you don't need a complex setup or gpu.
 
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Alternative.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($308.74 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA XPG Z1 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Jet)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 2GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define S ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($45.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $962.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-19 20:07 EST-0500




 
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I'd be happy to sort out a parts list for you, but first I need you to answer the rest of the questions I posted above, cheers. :)
You shouldn't need $2000 by the way, $1500 should be the most. Also are you working with native 4k content? Forgot to ask.
(go to a local PC store or Microcenter/Frys and get them to assemble it for a small cost)
 
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To give a little more detail...

I'm upgrading because whenever I start my computer it now says "A disk read error occurred - Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart"

I figured instead of trying to fix this older machine, I'll make a new one.

But now I just got to thinking - Can/Should I re-use any of these parts from my old computer??

1 - Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 2.4 ghz

1 - GIGABYTE GA-G41M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G41 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

2 - Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2

1 - WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 64MB

1 - Lite On lh-20a1l

My computer is fairly old so I'm assuming all this stuff is old news?
 
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Thanks chugalug.

I just saw your questions.

I usually have about 20 tabs open in chrome, a couple excel sheets, photoshop and maybe a video editor open.

On my current computer, it CRAWLS.

I don't need 4K (though that would be cool)

Already have monitor, keyboard etc

No portability. Will stay underneath a desk.
 
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Alright cool, i'll get a build back to you in either the next 10 mins or half an hour depending on if my laptop battery lasts the rest of the tram ride home. :)

Your old PC is extremely outdated, not much point upgrading that.
For future reference you should look to upgrade your PC roughly every 3-4 years with workstation PCs, as software gets more demanding, as do operating systems like Windows 10.
 
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Your old pc is pretty too old. If you insist on using that old pc, then you only need to buy SSD which Chigalug_ has already mentioned.

$179.99 Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FrH48d/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e500bam

It is a good SSD. It will fully optimized your old pc.

Your old pc seem to show it has problem with its hard drive. Just buy the above SSD and reinstall window to it. It will boost your pc performance by lot. You might get satisfied with only SSD addition.

If its not satisfied you, then ask again for new pc build with your budget.
 
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Given everything in both video and photos is moving towards 4k (in the VERY near future, over the next year actually) you might as well prepare for it.
Let me know if you need a CD drive, it's uncommon since most stuff is flash nowadays, but if you want one and don't want a USB external optical drive I can change the case to acommodate one.

I've included a 4k ready video card for your convenience, and a 4k monitor.
By the way, use the SSD for storing the OS, relevant videos or images etc. being rendered from photoshop or Adobe, and software, as it will speed up loading times in these due to the fast speed of the SSD compared to a hard drive.
Use the HDD to store main files or for archiving stuff.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($308.74 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA XPG Z1 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Jet)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 2GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define S ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell P2715Q 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($480.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $1442.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-19 20:50 EST-0500
 
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Schafer - thank you for the advice!

Chug a lug - Wow! Thanks so much.

So that build should give me a big performance boost vs what I have now?

I see everyone recommending SSD. Why is that?
 
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Before SSD, the pc was actually very choked by HDD performance by lot. Current standard SSD normally has 3x or more the speed of HDD. Therefore the performance is boost by lot. I have a netbook with N250 cpu (very slow single core dual thread cpu), added with my 1st 120Gb SSD (pensioned from my desktop due to low space), and it can outperform i5 (2core 4 thread sandy bridge, newer technology) with laptop HDD in term of microsoft office application, browsing and boot up.

Most people that has use SSD, will rarely willing to go back to HDD. We still use HDD only for storage. Its speed will safe our life usage on computer which is invaluable.

PS: it also save electric bill. My netbook battery with HDD can only hold 1 hour. With SSD it can hold 2 hours. Mind you it is very old.
 
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All those statements are vastly incorrect @shaft.
Hard drives are fine, the PC was not 'choked' by the performance of HDDs before SSDs came along.
SSDs are just faster drives intended for software and OS usage chiefly among other things.
There is NO power saving benefits, only a few watts between them, it might add up to 1c a year if you're lucky.

SSDs in NO WAY affect performance, it cannot make your i3 faster than an i5, it is a STORAGE drive, not a magic brick. Everyone I know that has an SSD uses a HDD with it for main storage because SSDs cost a bomb, only enterprises and large companies can afford to go full solid state storage, or personal users with a high budget.

With notebooks that's all dependent on the battery and power draw of the hardware inside as well as software load.
Don't do a direct comparison between your two devices.

@Molly Mae, to summarise an SSD is a very fast hard drive that does not have moving internal parts, whereas a hard drive will have a spinning disk. It loads software installed on it very fast, as it can communicate with the PC faster. If an OS is installed onto the SSD, boot times will be greatly decreased, with an 850 Evo it usually takes 10 seconds to boot to desktop.

 
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Is it OK to use my current CD/DVD drive?

Also, the motherboard you showed me seems cheap. I see others for $200+. What are the differences?

Thanks so much for your help hun.
 
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The motherboard i've included is a mid range board with good features all around.
The differences with more expensive boards (100-150) is generally A. Overclocking capabilities and a slightly better sound chip, B. better connectivity (USB-C etc.) and C. visual improvements.
Anything above the $175ish range is mainly just for show, those boards are flashy but don't really offer anything additional.

Its okay to use your current CD drive assuming you're pulling it out and putting it in the new PC, but get this case instead: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/4wW9TW/fractal-design-case-fdcadefr4bl
Are you planning on overclocking? Or are you okay with the build I posted?
 
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I'm not sure to be honest.

As long as it is fast and speedy and I don't have to wait 3 minutes for programs to open, then I'll be happy.
 
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It's a relatively simple and easy process, and given you'll be rendering stuff you may want the ability to use higher frequency RAM and a higher clock speed on the CPU.
It'll be miles faster than a core 2 duo, you won't need to worry about 3 minute opening times, especially if you install your software on the SSD. :)
 
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Thanks for your help :)

Last thing and i'll stop bothering you. Do I need to buy any cables or anything?
 
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