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How is this happening? How is it possible? Please Help!!

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CPU: AMD FX 8350 4.0GHz 16MB BOX SKAM3+
Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper 212x
GPU: MSI R9 380 4gb
DDR: 2x G.Skill DDR3 1600Mhz 4gb (8gb total)
PSU: Corsair CX600 600w 80 plus gold
Mobo: Asrock 990fx Extreme 3
HDD: Western Digital WD Blue Hard Drive 1TB


So i guess my computer is bottlnecking but how? I've been reaserching on google and mostly on Youtube and i find people playing with same specs as me and getting much higher results, and mostly people saying it doesn't bottleneck...

For example i've seen people playing H1z1 and CS:GO with Ultra settings, while recording getting around 60-70fps on H1z1 and CS:GO 150fps steady, where i'm getting on the lowest settings around 90 fps on cs:go and 30-40 fps in H1z1 and really unstable always going up and down....

Even in League of Legends, i'm getting around 100 fps on the medium high settings..

I've seen aswell people playing recent games, such as Battlefield 1, Gta V on ultra settings while recording, and they get 60 fps steady...

So what is going on, what is wrong?

Also i know the mobo is bad but does it affect on my gaming performance?
 
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CPU performance is bound by a number of factors, but core-count and clockspeed are the two most important factors when it comes to the performance of AMD FX processors. As I said before, it is technically possible for your board to run the FX-8350 at 4.2GHz, and all cores enabled. But all indications are telling me that if you so, you will be putting your motherboard's choke at risk. No one can really tell you how far you can push it before blowing the PPM(VRM), unless they have the same board and components as you do. You should look for discussions such as this one on Overclock,

http://www.overclock.net/t/1470845/help-with-fx8350-throttling-with-asrock-990fx-extreme-3

The last comment was submitted by a user named "Penthane"; this...
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Thanks for the quick reply!!

I've recently installed the latest drivers downloaded from the amd website, but i can reinstall them and try once again.

 
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What you mean by "it's an fx 8350" ? Yea i do not have any onboard video actually.
 
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This isn't necessarily your CPU bottlenecking the GPU. You could be seeing your performance being throttled by some kind of malfunction. Download the CPUID HWMonitor, and notate your clockspeed, memory usage, temperature... all that good stuff. Get a base-level for all these data-points from when you are idling (not doing anything on your computer other than running HWMonitor), and notate again when you are running at load (playing a game at the highest settings your PC can handle without crashing). Post all that up here, and we'll try to isolate the issue.
 
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your cpu is bottlenecking your gpu, fx 8350 has poor single core performance
those videos you watched on youtube, they may use capture card, results no performance drop
try reduce settings which are use cpu resource, like effect detail
 
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I have to politely disagree, I have an FX 9590 and an older R9 280X, and when I play Counter Strike I've never dropped below 60FPS, even on a heavily populated server. I get that you're dubious that OP can get better performance out of this rig, but I've got basically the same processor they do, and I don't think this is normal performance. Let's probe the situation a little deeper, and see if we can't help GodIsMyName improve their gaming experience.
 
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yeah, I just check cs:go on fx 8350 benchmark, he got 250 fps on all graphics settings, thx
then, it should have something throttling its performance
 
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Ok, sorry for the late answer but i wasn't home, I'll do that ASAP!!!
 
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One thing i found interesting, while playing H1z1 on low settings i was getting 30-40 fps always unstable always going up and down never more then 40fps, but when i changed to everything on ultra settings i was running mostly 40 fps and sometimes going up to 70 fps which is really weird, i can see that the rig "wants" to do better performance but something is holding back definitely..
 
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Yeah that's what i thought!! i was really surprised when i went into the youtube and saw all those people running latest games without a problem, always smooth with no fps drop... while on 1080p aswell... I will run a test with HWMonitor, like eidolon171 said and see if you guys can help me hopefully!!
 
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Here are the results:

http://imgur.com/a/0BEDl ----> Idle
http://imgur.com/a/nYTvs ----> gaming CS:GO Max settings (i've printed as soon as i alt tabbed because if i wait the values of the cpu would drop a bit)

Just a quick thing: I've downclocked my cpu and turned off a couple of settings related to the cpu in the BIOS due to the temperature problems that the FX 8350 has with the asrock 990fx extreme 3 motherboards, i don't think they affect the preformance, but i don't even know myself, just did it to make sure!!
 
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Thank you so much, i'll look forward to it!!
 
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Two problems here. One: you are only running 6 cores, and Two: you're base-clock is running below parameters. Your CPUID screenshots, and your 3DMark tests are only recognizing 6 cores, but the FX 8350 is an 8-core processor, at least as far as Windows is concerned. The FX-8350 also has a base clock of 4.0GHz and a turbo of 4.2GHz, but yours is only running at 3.6GHz. I'm guessing you upgraded at some point from a 6-core CPU to the FX-8350. As I understand it, Windows does not automatically install new drivers for the AM3/AM3+ processors, and only recognizes the parameters of the previously installed processor. I'm sure I've seen someone already write a "How to" on fixing this issue. I will look around and see if I can find it again. If not I'll help you figure out all the steps to do it over the weekend.
 
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I'm sorry i forgot to mention, i've downclocked myself the processor to 6 core aswell to 3.5 Ghz, since the mobo isn't fully compatible with the processor (due to the heat of vrm, since the mobo is 4+1 power phase) and turned off a couple of settings in the bios that affect the heat problems, before i did that i had the same fps and the same performance, still i think isn't possible to affect that much the performance...

Also this rig is completly stock, they were assembled factory new... but if you want i can enable the same settings and apply the default settings and run the test 1 more time, should i do it?
 
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I didn't realize your motherboard was only designed to deliver 1.4V max to the PPM. Your performance in the Firestrike benchmark is in line with other 6-core Vishera CPU's clocked around that speed. I think your performance prior to manipulation was that you were getting throttled because the PPM was overheating.

You either need a motherboard upgrade, or a clever solution to cool the VRM.
 
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Yes that is what I was thinking, but upgrading the motherboard while running the octa core and the default settings, will it perform better? improve my fps? even though i've downlocked it, i think it doesn't heat anymore thats why i'm finding this a bit weird, since i've somehow "controlled" the heat issues i was expecting to stabilize at least a bit...
 
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Downclocking and shutting off cores will absolutely reduce your performance. The videos you're seeing on YouTube that show other FX-8350 users playing games, and getting better performance than you, are getting the benefit of this CPU's high clock speed, and all 8 of it's threads. Before you tampered with processor settings the motherboard was automatically throttling you, and afterwards you are throttling yourself.

I have the ASRock 990FX Extreme9 (now $130.00 on newegg) and it runs totally stable taking my FX-9590 as high up as 5.1GHz. Now my power-phase is 12+2, so I have a lot more channels to work with than yours does. And I have to go all the way up to 1.533V to do that. You on the other hand only need 1.34-1.39V to run your clock at 4.2GHz. Which the Extreme3 board is physically capable of doing. The problem is that your phase design distresses the transistors within the choke to unsafe temperature levels at these voltages.

Long story short, you don't necessarily have to upgrade your motherboard in order to run the FX-8350 with it's stock specifications, but if you want to do that, you'll have to reduce temperatures inside your PC.
 
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I have a good airflow actually in my case, its the standart, i guess the temperatures are somewhat "stable", but still if i put the settings on default will it run the 8 core without any problem? I'm just afraid that i fry the cpu or the motherboard, since i'm not able to upgrade it yet, i need to hold this rig for a couple of months while gaming...

If i upgrade what motherboards would you suggest? at a low price, since i've spent a big chunk of money here.

Thanks for your help!!
 
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CPU performance is bound by a number of factors, but core-count and clockspeed are the two most important factors when it comes to the performance of AMD FX processors. As I said before, it is technically possible for your board to run the FX-8350 at 4.2GHz, and all cores enabled. But all indications are telling me that if you so, you will be putting your motherboard's choke at risk. No one can really tell you how far you can push it before blowing the PPM(VRM), unless they have the same board and components as you do. You should look for discussions such as this one on Overclock,

http://www.overclock.net/t/1470845/help-with-fx8350-throttling-with-asrock-990fx-extreme-3

The last comment was submitted by a user named "Penthane"; this person customized their Vcore cooling system, and is apparently able to run an FX-8350 at 4.5GHz. I mean we are taking this person at their word, and speaking as an electrical engineer I can affirm that the Extreme3 is technically capable of providing the 125-140W required to run an FX-8350 at this speed, put you are pushing against the absolute ceiling of what the board was designed to do, and that's never really a great idea.

If you want to keep the FX-8350 and upgrade the board, the favorite 990FX boards are Asus' Crosshair and their Sabertooth, there is some degree of argument over which versions of the boards are best. But they are both capable of running the 220W FX-9590, so there's no doubt your FX-8350 could stretch it's legs on either system. I personally have the ASRock Extreme9, and the 220W FX-9590, and I really like it. That is probably the best/cheapest board you can get for your AM3+ processor. You'll have to look at some comparisons, and figure out which one suits your needs best, here is one review that includes head to head comparisons,

https://us.hardware.info/reviews/4638/3/asrock-990fx-extreme9-review-high-end-motherboard-for-amd-fx-benchmarks

I appreciate your gratitude, but thanks aren't necessary, I genuinely enjoy giving computer advice.
 
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I'll play safe and keep the settings as they are, so that i don't experience any issues, do you recomend to tweak some settings or can i leave it be?

Probably gonna upgrade the motherboard aswell as it seems to me the best solution, I'll hang on a couple of months and pray that nothing get's damaged!!

I don't intend to overclock or to boost any settings i just want to run games smoothly without any fps drops, what should i look for in a motherboard to run fine the CPU?

Also do you recommend running any of this boards:
Msi 970A Gaming Pro Carbon AMD970 SKAM3+
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 R5
Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0

It seems a couple of youtube videos I've seen they are running the same settings on the msi 970..

Thank you so much again for the help i really appreciate!!
 
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