4x8GB RAM and still slow

Case2112 · Feb 23, 2017

Hello.
This is my first post.
I have recently increased my RAM to a full set 4x8GB and my PC now seems to lag more. I'm a graphic designer working Illustator, InDesign and Photoshop with many large layers.
Here are the PC stats - can someone help?
Summary
Operating System
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Xeon E3 1275 v3 @ 3.50GHz 89 °F
Haswell-WS 22nm Technology
RAM
32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 664MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9D WS (SOCKET 1150) 79 °F
Graphics
ASUS PB278 (2560x1440@59Hz)
2047MB NVIDIA Quadro K2000 (NVIDIA) 88 °F
Storage
232GB Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250G (SSD) 88 °F
1863GB Volume0 (RAID)

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!

Chicano · Feb 24, 2017

The CPU seems to be running quite hot and it's probably throttling down. Try disabling the BIOS power saving settings, and if necessary change the Windows > Control Panel > Power Saving Options > to the Balanced or High Performance Plan. This to make the CPU cooler fan run at a faster constant speed.. if that cools it down, reapply thermal grease to the CPU and run the computer for a while... it temps get down lower, reset the BIOS and/or Windows Power Options to previous settings (if desired) to make the computer run quieter or as before.

If necessary, use the Motherboard user manual to know the BIOS power options settings.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket1150/P9D_WS/Manual&QVL/E8141_P9D_WS.pdf?_ga=1.132621133.232662242.1440452292

If that doesn't solve it, install HWiNFO, run it in Sensors only mode, click the opposite pointing arrows to include the full report on screen and take a screenshot of the whole display, save the image and post it here through Tinypic.com or postimage.org

https://www.hwinfo.com/
https://postimage.io/

Case2112 · Feb 24, 2017

Thank you.
Ok. I tried to adjust power settings. Now what?

https://postimg.org/image/86cu17cr3/

aquielisunari · Feb 24, 2017

Chicano :

The CPU seems to be running quite hot and it's probably throttling down. Try disabling the BIOS power saving settings, and if necessary change the Windows > Control Panel > Power Saving Options > to the Balanced or High Performance Plan. This to make the CPU cooler fan run at a faster constant speed.. if that cools it down, reapply thermal grease to the CPU and run the computer for a while... it temps get down lower, reset the BIOS and/or Windows Power Options to previous settings (if desired) to make the computer run quieter or as before.

If necessary, use the Motherboard user manual to know the BIOS power options settings.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket1150/P9D_WS/Manual&QVL/E8141_P9D_WS.pdf?_ga=1.132621133.232662242.1440452292

If that doesn't solve it, install HWiNFO, run it in Sensors only mode, click the opposite pointing arrows to include the full report on screen and take a screenshot of the whole display, save the image and post it here through Tinypic.com or postimage.org

https://www.hwinfo.com/
https://postimage.io/

How is 89F hot? That's a C+P of Speccy which the user has chosen to display temp with the Fahrenheit scale. Nothing at all hot about 89F.

Case2112 · Feb 24, 2017

The temp is now 101F

aquielisunari · Feb 24, 2017

Case2112 :

Why did you increase your RAM? While you were doing a job were you also looking at the task manager which said all your RAM was in use? Where is your CPU utilization sitting at? Do any of your programs support GPU acceleration? I see the Quadro so I think yes. Are you positive you have your programs set to use the GPU as well as they can?

Is that a single 32GB RAM kit? 2x16? 4x8GB? If I would have upgraded I would have chosen 1600MHz RAM instead of the slower 1333MHz.

Double your VRAM and a better card? https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01M1L9YVM/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all&qid=1487977647&sr=1-2 from PC Server & Parts

Unfortunately it might be your CPU and I'm not seeing a promising upgrade path https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P9D_WS/HelpDesk_CPU/ with that socket type that offers a performance increase that would justify the monetary investment.

Chicano · Feb 24, 2017

aquielisunari :

Chicano :

How is 89F hot? That's a C+P of Speccy which the user has chosen to display temp with the Fahrenheit scale. Nothing at all hot about 89F.

No!.. I got that wrong.. It was a quick read and I took it for the usual Centigrade.

Chicano · Feb 24, 2017

Case2112 :

Sorry about that mistake.. I took 89º for Centigrade... and the HWiNFO report shows everything in order with the CPU running nice and cool and clock speeds with a slight variation per every core but all withing normal clocks speeds.

Looks to me like a software issue... have you done any software checks so far?...
1. like checking startup programs and disable what you don't need starting up with the OS.
2. clearing out Temp files. Run CCleaner for a thorough cleanup.
3. defragging at least the OS drive.
4. running a disk check.
5. running virus and malware scans.
6. The OS drive C: should have enough free space and if not make some.
7. There are more suggestions in the thread I linked.

Case2112 · Feb 25, 2017

Chicano :

Thanks again, everyone.
1) I've recently disabled a great many startup programs. Booting up is much faster.
2) I utilize CCleaner all the time.
3) the OS drive is on a SS drive - I've read that defraging a solid-state can be harmful to the drive
4) Previous disc checks have been good - I have Hard Disk Sentinel installed
5) I run Malwarebytes and McAfee Total Protection - I know that I have two running and should choose one, but which
6) will check the OS drive for space - stay tuned

More considerations:
1) CrashPlan Pro for small business running in the background
2) the PC was built by AVA Direct and will I am steps above a noob I'm not expert. The idea was to build something with server quality that could be upgraded - clearly I have not done my homework.
3) I increased the RAM to improve rendering time and overall efficiency
4) the RAM installed is 4x6BG, a four piece set of 8GB sticks purchased as one package. I used the recommended RAM allocations via a PDF regarding compatible add-ons for the ASUS motherboard.
5) if I need to upgrade to a higher VRAM graphics card - then how do I know that motherboard will support it?

aquielisunari · Feb 25, 2017

Case2112 :

Chicano :

Thanks again, everyone.
1) I've recently disabled a great many startup programs. Booting up is much faster.
2) I utilize CCleaner all the time.
3) the OS drive is on a SS drive - I've read that defraging a solid-state can be harmful to the drive
4) Previous disc checks have been good - I have Hard Disk Sentinel installed
5) I run Malwarebytes and McAfee Total Protection - I know that I have two running and should choose one, but which
6) will check the OS drive for space - stay tuned

More considerations:
1) CrashPlan Pro for small business running in the background
2) the PC was built by AVA Direct and will I am steps above a noob I'm not expert. The idea was to build something with server quality that could be upgraded - clearly I have not done my homework.
3) I increased the RAM to improve rendering time and overall efficiency
4) the RAM installed is 4x6BG, a four piece set of 8GB sticks purchased as one package. I used the recommended RAM allocations via a PDF regarding compatible add-ons for the ASUS motherboard.
5) if I need to upgrade to a higher VRAM graphics card - then how do I know that motherboard will support it?

To confirm that your next GFX card is compatible with your motherboard you need to look to the PCIe expansion slot. It says PCI Express 3.0 x16 3(x16 or dual x8 or x8/x4/x4). The card's reqs. says Interface: PCI Express 2.0 x16. The slot is backwards compatible with PCIe 2.0 so compatibility is ensured.

Case2112 · Feb 25, 2017

Does anyone have GFX card suggestions?

Chicano · Feb 25, 2017

Answers to your First group of comments
3) Defragging the SSD isn't possible but you can still optimize them... how, I can't recall at the moment but will add that info later.
5) Malwarebytes and Antivirus whichever it is, are different and they can be run both at the same time no problem.

3 Top Tips To Maintain Performance & Extend The Life Of Your SSD
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-top-tips-maintain-performance-extend-life-ssd-si/

Answers to your Second group of comments:
2) The Intel Xeon E3 1275 v3 CPU is not weak at all it's on the level of a top i7 from the same socket... but you can still upgrade it with a same socket Xeon E3 1000 series v3.. for example the Intel Xeon E3-1285L v4 @ 3.40GHz would increase performance about 14% but a i7-4000 series would be much lower priced. The only problem is you can't upgrade much higher than 14% unless you really spend in the same socket.. and that would be better spent on a Kaby Lake system. But we still have to see if solving the software issues takes care of the slow processing issue.
5) The NVIDIA Quadro K2000 is to weak... I don't think you would have a problem getting a better card probably up to 4-5 times faster.

UPDATE
The care and feeding of solid state drives
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/the-care-and-feeding-of-solid-state-drives/

These comment make me wonder if what they suggest relates to your issue: It's about the size of RAM and filling the SSD above 75%

Increase RAM: A computer with a lot of RAM can pluck data from an SSD more efficiently, saving on rewrites and ultimately extending the life of the drive. Too little RAM creates the opposite situation. Upgrade your RAM or choose a computer with a healthy amount when using your solid state drive.

Don’t fill it up: As we mentioned, filling an SSD to 90% or more capacity is asking for trouble as the flash memory searches for ways to write new data. Everything slows down like a bad traffic jam. Warning bells should start going off once your drive has reached the 75% mark and you still have lots of data to upload.

Chicano · Feb 25, 2017

Click the link to browse to the videocardbenchmark.net and click the GD3 column header to order video cards in speed or click the Price column header to find one in the aproximate price you want to pay.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php

Your Quadro K2000 is GD3 = 1680 = $205.00
A card with five times the speed would be a:
GeForce GTX 1060 3GB GD3 = 8503 = $190.00
GeForce GTX 1060 $GB? = 8778 = $234.99

EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC GAMING, ACX 2.0 (Single Fan), 06G-P4-6163-KR, 6GB GDDR5, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC), Only 6.8 Inches
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487261

Better choices and prices in GTX 1060 here:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=EVGA%20GeForce%20GTX%201060&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=96

Case2112 · Feb 25, 2017

Chicano :

Answers to your First group of comments
3) Defragging the SSD isn't possible but you can still optimize them... how, I can't recall at the moment but will add that info later.
5) Malwarebytes and Antivirus whichever it is, are different and they can be run both at the same time no problem.

3 Top Tips To Maintain Performance & Extend The Life Of Your SSD
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-top-tips-maintain-performance-extend-life-ssd-si/

Answers to your Second group of comments:
2) The Intel Xeon E3 1275 v3 CPU is not weak at all it's on the level of a top i7 from the same socket... but you can still upgrade it with a same socket Xeon E3 1000 series v3.. for example the Intel Xeon E3-1285L v4 @ 3.40GHz would increase performance about 14% but a i7-4000 series would be much lower priced. The only problem is you can't upgrade much higher than 14% unless you really spend in the same socket.. and that would be better spent on a Kaby Lake system. But we still have to see if solving the software issues takes care of the slow processing issue.
5) The NVIDIA Quadro K2000 is to weak... I don't think you would have a problem getting a better card probably up to 4-5 times faster.

UPDATE
The care and feeding of solid state drives
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/the-care-and-feeding-of-solid-state-drives/

These comment make me wonder if what they suggest relates to your issue: It's about the size of RAM and filling the SSD above 75%

Increase RAM: A computer with a lot of RAM can pluck data from an SSD more efficiently, saving on rewrites and ultimately extending the life of the drive. Too little RAM creates the opposite situation. Upgrade your RAM or choose a computer with a healthy amount when using your solid state drive.

Don’t fill it up: As we mentioned, filling an SSD to 90% or more capacity is asking for trouble as the flash memory searches for ways to write new data. Everything slows down like a bad traffic jam. Warning bells should start going off once your drive has reached the 75% mark and you still have lots of data to upload.

Great news! So processor is good, but the GFX card is too weak - that makes sense. Should I ask about the GFX recommend from another group within the forum or does anyone have a suggestion? I'd like not to invest (at the moment) on anything over $500.

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