Upgraded to EVGA GTX 1080, problems with some games. Elderly Athlon 1090t CPU

Cjones955

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Noob here with mild computer experience. I do a bit of PC gaming and I'm particular about performance, I run through a TV, just upgraded my aged Sony 46" 1080p to a Samsung 55" KS8000 4k, which sort of kicked off the trouble.

Some games began running sluggishly, even when I rolled back to 1080p from 4k, while others were fine in 1080p. Dying Light and Far Cry 4 ran great with the old TV but not the new one. Doom4 and Borderlands 2 ran great when rolled back to 1080 on the new set.

I installed the GTX1080 card and I could crank Borderlands2 and Doom4 up to 4k and they run perfectly and look amazing. Still cant run Dying Light or Far Cry 3 - 4, they are playable but sluggish/laggy feeling. I figured CPU, but the CPU ran them in 1080 just fine before on the old TV. I arrived at the conclusion that my old CPU is bottlenecking somehow in a way that is outside my scope of understanding. So I almost bought an AMD 8350 (I know i7 is great but I'm on a budget and AMD has served me well so far). I researched and learned about the Ryzen chips nearly upon us so I decide to wait and see. I get that an old CPU can bottleneck an new GPU, but why only some games, and why would it behave differently on a different display. If all games were doing this I would get it. The games that run laggy take no significant improvement from changing resolution or graphic details from low to ultra, no real impact.

I just upgraded the TV, AVR and GPU, so I'm well over budget already. This Ryzen 1700x looks like a good bang for the buck deal. I know my current CPU is quite long in the tooth but I'm not good to drop another $800-ish on MB/CPU/RAM if I my issue is somewhere else. I ran HWinfo and fired up FC4 and it shows the GPU average use at ~30% but the CPU cores high of 98-99% but avg use only ~75%. In my novice interpretation the CPU is not maxing out and perhaps the bottleneck is happening elsewhere, somewhere beyond my grasp of experience. CPU runs some games great in 1080 with old TV, but not with new TV and much more powerful GPU. I thought this GTX1080 would run everything in 4k, which is why I bought it. Yet the games it wont run in 4k, it wont really run at any resolution or detail without being somewhat laggy. Stumped.

Card was GTX770, now upgraded to GTX1080
MB MSI NF980-G65
2x4 RAM DDR3
Pwr 850w (used to run my twin GTX460s)
AMD Athlon II 6 core 1090t
Tt case with 4 extra fans.
Win 7 64 pro.
Sound running HDMI from GPU> Onkyo HT > Samsung TV
All drivers current.
GPU is installed on the first PCIx16 slot with the 2x6 pin into 8 pin adapter included with the card.

Thanks for wading through all my rambling, I hope I got this in the right section and didnt omit any valuable information. Any guidance going forward is very much appreciated!

Thank you folks!
 
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Partially solved.

Full uninstall/reinstall of drivers made no difference, because a new AVR and TV were added when the problem started I did some reading on how some AVRs can introduce a delay or lag, plugged directly into TV, still no difference. I had initially had the GTX plugged into the PC input but there was no way to put the set into Game Mode on that port so I had it on HDMI 3 per some reading and as said, it worked fantastic for some games but not others. I renamed HDMI 3 to "Game Console" and that made a significant difference. Game mode is important but for some reason the port being named also makes a big difference.

The result is I'm using all games playable in 4k, but I have to say that I can feel that I'm still at the...

rush21hit

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These might answer your questions:
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The X4 965 are build upon the same chip as X6, but due to some cores not performed as expected AMD disable it. The IPC is intact. And these games they tested don't benefit much from more that 4 cores.

The bottom line is, to properly exploit the new GPU to its full potential, you need to overhaul your current platform.
 

cbag

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Any chance your TV has a 'game mode' that you need to turn on?

OR

Did you completely remove your old graphics drivers before installing the new? I know in the past you had to completely remove them before installing the new drivers. For example, even if you were auto-upgrading from within the driver software it would leave behind some files that would screw with framerates.

OR

Try fresh install of windows.
 

Cjones955

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Thanks folks for the responses.

I can see the differences in the two, didnt know a processor could make that much of a difference. I wasnt prepared for it to be slower in 1080p than the GTX770 on a couple games while much faster on others. I figured it might not be as fast as it could be hindered by the CPU. I'm guessing I'm going to have to spring for the processor/MB. I expect that within a couple weeks Newegg will have some cost effective combos up.

When I installed the driver it gave me the option of doing a clean install so I checked that. I reinstalled the drivers a couple days ago. When I first plugged in the TV it was laggy on the input but I did find game mode and some other settings that sped it up nicely. It's quite snappy and responsive for some games so I ruled out the TV settings for the reason that the others were laggy, although it did happen right after the TV, even in the same resolution. THat is why I questioned whether the processor was the culprit. Maybe it just takes more video power to display on this TV, even in 1080p. I guess I have a ways to go to really understand how the parts work together, or dont work together.
 

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I left out another means to ensure your driver compatibility, but due to the obvious hindrance on your current platform I chose to point it out first. Suppose if the GPU you chose were some $200 class, I wouldn't even mention it.
That other means was using a third party software to properly refresh out you display driver. Find a tool under the name of DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller). It would need to run under Safe Mode. Rest assured, its perfectly safe. Then, re install your display driver to its latest version.

Still, even then I'd presume there won't be much of a difference, considering.
 

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I'll try a driver uninstall and clean reinstall and see what happens. The only other difference between the two TVs is the old one was hooked up with the old school VGA cable, the HDMI inputs were distorted with the PC hooked up. The new one is hooked up via HDMI through an AVR.

Thanks you!

 

Cjones955

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Partially solved.

Full uninstall/reinstall of drivers made no difference, because a new AVR and TV were added when the problem started I did some reading on how some AVRs can introduce a delay or lag, plugged directly into TV, still no difference. I had initially had the GTX plugged into the PC input but there was no way to put the set into Game Mode on that port so I had it on HDMI 3 per some reading and as said, it worked fantastic for some games but not others. I renamed HDMI 3 to "Game Console" and that made a significant difference. Game mode is important but for some reason the port being named also makes a big difference.

The result is I'm using all games playable in 4k, but I have to say that I can feel that I'm still at the very edge of the cards ability in regards to CPU bottleneck. I have felt what lag/chop feels like when your asking too much of the GPU, and this feels a little different and I think this is the somewhat different feel of the CPU bottleneck. I'm going for the Ryzen as sooon as some decent CPU/MB combos present.

I read several step by step settings and walk throughs of setting up the TV for PC gaming and thats how I got it off PC port and onto Game Mode on HDMI 3 but I found one yesterday that said rename the port. I still have no idea why some games were so significantly effected while others worked great, but thats the way it is.

Thank you folks very much for the responses.
 
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