Want to upgrade PC, i'm handy. But i'm not up to date.

Remi__ · Mar 2, 2017

Hi Guys, This build dates from january 2014. Though the graphics card is 1 month old, the old graphics card broke down. So I went from 3gb graphics ram to 6gb.

I was hoping to change my current CPU for a better one, keep watercooling. More & maybe better ram.

But i have many questions. So i was looking for some further advice on what and where to upgrade.

- If i get a new CPU, would it be interesting to change watercooling? Are there beter (water)coolers out there, how long can you go with them.

- Can the motherboard handle it, how long can you go with one motherboard and is the motherboard i have "competitive".

- Also what do you think about disks & disk space? Windows runs on sd atm, but i hear people go all out SD on everything. Usefull or not?

SPECS:

Operating System:
Windows 10 Home 64-bit

CPU:
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 3.40GHz 3
Haswell 22nm Technology

CPU Watercooling:
Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme, Watercooling set(Black/White, CLW0224)

Power Supply:
Corsair RM Series, RM850, 850 Watt (850W)

RAM:
8,00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz Corsair Vengeance (9-9-9-24)

Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. G1.Sniper B5-CF

Graphics:

Intel HD Graphics 4600 (Gigabyte)
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (Gigabyte)
ForceWare version: 378.66
SLI Disabled

Storage:
111GB Samsung SSD 840 EVO 120GB (SSD)
1863GB Western Digital WDC WD2002FAEX-00MJRA0 (SATA)

Optical Drives:
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-224DB

Audio:
Realtek High Definition Audio

weberdarren97 · Mar 2, 2017

I'm not a fan of that liquid cooler. There's on fan at the socket so the area around it will be starved for airflow that would normally be provided by the CPU fan. Considered the Cryorig A40 series? It puts a fan on the waterblock for socket airflow.

Can't reuse your RAM. DDR3 is outdated. It's high voltage makes it a bad idea to try to use it with Skylake or Kaby Lake.

SSD and graphics card are still rather current. I don't see a reason to replace them unless they're giving you issues.

Power supply uses lower quality caps. I would recommend a higher quality unit for your next build.

Remi__ · Mar 2, 2017

weberdarren97 :

Good advice so far, I will seriously look into that Cryorig series. I was looking to replace CPU, not GPU. I said i just replaced it.

So I still have a shitload of questions left

.

What CPU would be good to combine with my current motherboard and what ram brand or type would you combine with those other specs?

What kind of power supply should i be looking for? Any brands, types i should be looking out for?

Is my current motherboard competitieve?

No idea what Skylyake or Kaby Lake is ;D

Mikel_4 · Mar 2, 2017

watercool heatkiller IV pro

aquacompyer cuplex kryos with silver

titanium

The easiest choice would be CPU air cooler, so you only need to replace the fan(s), TT water is closed loop AIO, when the pump is failing then it's done. If you really fascinated by water cooling then you can start by expandable AIO such as
- EKWB XLC Predator
- Alphacool Eisbaer
- Swiftech H
- Fractal Design Kelvin.
Expandable so you can replace parts or add parts, closed loop AIO such as Corsair Hydro and Thermaltake Water is ready to use just like expandable AIO, but again "pump" my cooler mater nepton last about 2 years, don't know how to fix the pump.

weberdarren97 · Mar 2, 2017

Remi__ :

I just said you could keep your GPU :lol:

For your current board, I'd go with the i7 4790K. You won't be able to overclock on that board, but the 4790K is 400MHz faster than the 4790 out of the factory. For RAM, I'd go DDR3 1600MHz. A 16GB kit at least. I know I just said something else before this edit, I had forgotten about the limitations of the B85 chipset.

I'd say your current board is still competitive.

Corsair RMx series is much better for high powered systems than the original RM series. Consider an RM550x or RM650x.

Skylake is Intel 6th gen (6000 series, last year) and Kaby Lake is Intel 7th gen (7000 series, this year). They both use the 1151 socket that came out when Skylake was conceived.

Remi__ · Mar 2, 2017

Mikel_4 :

Wow that's a bit too technical for me. Because the way you explain it, all i can keep is my case, GPU and HD. I'm kind of looking more for a smart upgrade, to keep me solid for a while. Before going for something new. Let's prioritize here. Let's say i have a budget of 750 euros. What would you replace first ? Or is it better to wait and get new motherboard, new cpu, new cooling, new power, new ram all together.

weberdarren97 · Mar 2, 2017

I would keep the board. I'd upgrade the CPU, RAM and power supply. I've listed my recommendations above. For RAM, get a kit that offers 16GB. Don't try to add 8GB to your current 8GB as the different sticks may not be compatible with each other.

Remi__ · Mar 2, 2017

weberdarren97 :

Remi__ :

I just said you could keep your GPU :lol:

For your current board, I'd go with the i7 4790K. You won't be able to overclock on that board, but the 4790K is 400MHz faster than the 4790 out of the factory. For RAM, I'd go DDR3 1600MHz. A 16GB kit at least. I know I just said something else before this edit, I had forgotten about the limitations of the B85 chipset.

I'd say your current board is still competitive.

Corsair RMx series is much better for high powered systems than the original RM series. Consider an RM550x or RM650x.

Skylake is Intel 6th gen (6000 series, last year) and Kaby Lake is Intel 7th gen (7000 series, this year). They both use the 1151 socket that came out when Skylake was conceived.

Nice good advice again dude. So with your advice and the previous advice i'm a bit out in the dark when it comes to cooling the CPU. What is the best cooler for the CPU you are suggesting.

So new ram 16 GB, new CPU i7, new cooler X?, new supply. So if i could just get some solid advice on the cooling, i think i'm good to go.

Remi__ · Mar 2, 2017

weberdarren97 :

Jup i learned it the hard way. Bought new ram couple of months ago, exactly the same kind/brand/voltages/frequencies. Just made 3 years apart and it didn't work together. Both worked fine seperatly. Next time i'm going 16 gb same brand all at the same time ^^. What is a good brand for ram on this motherboard? What cooling should i get with the new cpu?

weberdarren97 · Mar 2, 2017

Prices based on market in Germany. A40 series is not available in Germany apparently.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (€359.18 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (€39.75 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Value 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€101.24 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€93.84 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €594.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-03 04:54 CET+0100

Lucky_SLS · Mar 2, 2017

if u r only gaming and not doing any heavy workloads, i would say ur cpu has atleast 2 years before it bottlenecks and underperforms. for 1080p gaming 1060 6gb does the job well too.
the only sensible upgrade i see is faster ram sticks.
for an overall upgrade i would wait till all the ryzens are released and u have the best price point on kabylake too.

weberdarren97 · Mar 2, 2017

Lucky_SLS :

Even if he doesn't intend to now, OP may one day get into streaming his gaming. If/when that happens, the extra threads on the i7 will come in handy.

photonboy · Mar 2, 2017

Hi,
My two cents as likely has been said is that I think upgrading your CPU is very poor value for gaming.

The CPU is rarely the bottleneck. In fact, in the near future DX12/Vulkan will make better use of your CPU so it may be even harder to justify an upgrade.

FUTURE PROOFING is sometimes a good idea, but not in this case. You'd rarely see more than a 10% improvement and even then your FPS may already be sufficient.

TWEAKING. TWEAKING. TWEAKING. goes a long way towards a better gaming experience then does simply upgrading the CPU.

Even the GPU while it can obviously help (such as GTX1080) can still result in a sub-par experience if you don't know how to tweak game settings. Such as cranking up to ULTRA, with VSYNC ON and running 40FPS (with VSYNC ON adding some stutter likely).

I've seen many games where you can tweak to NEARLY the same visual fidelity whilst doubling the FPS.

*Some games for example are best used with ADAPTIVE VSYNC forced on (NCP-> manage 3d settings-> add game... ). then tweak settings for the optimal visual balance of AA, shadows etc that gets a mostly solid 60FPS (60Hz monitor).

the HALF Adaptive option for 144Hz monitors using the above method is often useful (to synch to 72FPS).

I know it's a bit confusing but the MOST IMPORTANT THING a pc gamer should do is:

1) Set the GOAL (VSYNC ON, OFF, Adaptive VSYNC..)
2) then TWEAK to meet that goal

Again, just cranking settings up high and playing using those results is often not a good idea.

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