Help with building PC with the FX series and a little overclock

H00dini

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Hi guys! New in the forum but met with the hardware... So I wanted to build an AMD pc. I know that is good to save parts from your old pc soo I will save the case, psu, the hdd, the gpu, and the CD(I know it's not useful nowadays...). The things that I need to buy are mobo, cpu, and ram.
For the mobo: I chose the asus m5a78l/usb3(not sure is it good for oveclocking to 4.2 ghz...)
For the cpu: I have dilemma between the FX 4300 and the 6300 one...(going to clock one of them to 4.2 ghz...)
For the ram: I think I will be satisfied with Kingston's 4 GB DDR3 1600MHz KVR16N11S8/4(gonna add more later...)

So these are the parts and your first question is - ''Why the f*** will someone build a PC with these old *?!''... Well I'm on a looow budget - 150-170$, I'm an AMD fanboy and finally - I won't be able to afford even Ryzen's R3 series 'til 2k18...
I guess these are the details, if there are any grammar mistakes - sorry I'm not a grammar Nazi and I will appreciate any help from you.
P.S One last thing - I'm going to buy these things from local stores but I don't live in USA but in Europe and I'm not going to order from Amazon, Newegg or else...
 
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The FX series are a terrible choice in 2017. AMD released them in 2012 and they were not even particularly good CPUs 5 years ago. Now, they've been replaced at the low-end by the A-series APUs (also not very good) and at the high-end by AMD's new Ryzen CPUs. A $60 Pentium G4560 will probably beat a $220 FX-8370 in gaming and in most basic desktop uses. It will beat an FX-6300 in basically everything, included most well-threaded tasks like video editing and encoding.

And then there's the power consumption / extra heat (the old FX CPUs are furnaces), and the lack of new connectivity options you'd find on a more modern AMD/Intel platform.

I understand being a fanboy, but be aware that you're getting far less CPU for more cost.
The FX series are a terrible choice in 2017. AMD released them in 2012 and they were not even particularly good CPUs 5 years ago. Now, they've been replaced at the low-end by the A-series APUs (also not very good) and at the high-end by AMD's new Ryzen CPUs. A $60 Pentium G4560 will probably beat a $220 FX-8370 in gaming and in most basic desktop uses. It will beat an FX-6300 in basically everything, included most well-threaded tasks like video editing and encoding.

And then there's the power consumption / extra heat (the old FX CPUs are furnaces), and the lack of new connectivity options you'd find on a more modern AMD/Intel platform.

I understand being a fanboy, but be aware that you're getting far less CPU for more cost.
 
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H00dini

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Thanks for the answer! I guess I should go with the g4560... Well, the reason I wanted FX is because I was choosing between them and the Pentium series and was reading bad things about the 3xxx(for example: the g3258's overheating issues...) and thought that the whole generation is going to be bad... After all they have two cores and two threads and I was sick of all this ''weak'' processors(I used to play with dual core e2200 before and now I'm using Xeon x5260). So I think that's all. But two last questions! When I buy the g4560, can I overclock it maximum to 4.0 (or even 4.2 if possible...) ghz and if yes, can You recommend me a decent cooler and a board that's under 100$?
 
The newest Pentiums are not 2 core / 2 thread, but 2 core / 4 thread like i3's. An FX-8xxx will have more total multithreaded performance than a Pentium G4560, but will still generally lose in games because each of those cores is only about half as fast,though it depends on the game. They are 2-3x more expensive after all, and will win in well-threaded titles. The Pentium beats FX 6 cores flat out, as it has more single- and multi-threaded performance. Honestly, an FX-8 is probably a slightly stronger chip overall, but it's largely in the same league as the Pentium, much more expensive and much more power hungry, on an old and dead socket, so it's hard to recommend.

G3258's never really had a reputation for overheating. Intel CPUs give higher temperature readings than AMD chips, but as far as the user is concerned, this is just an arbitrary number. They don't measure temperatures the same way, so you can't compare them 1:1, and if the Pentium can run up to 100c safely and reliably and is running at 70c, while an FX can run up to 65c safely and is running at 60c, which one is hotter? Certainly the FX is much closer to damage from heat.

Today, the only Intel CPUs that can be overclocked are those marked as "K", the i3 7350K, i5 7600K and i7 7700K, and they're expensive. They need to be paired with expensive "Z" chipset motherboards, and I don't consider them a good value, so you can't overclock a Pentium. Maybe AMD's new competitive Ryzen CPUs will shake things up, but it takes time - CPUs are often in the pipeline for years before they hit the market and you can't just make changes to them at the last minute. It's more like years.

Given that the Pentium can't be overclocked, there's no point in an expensive board. Even the cheapest Intel board can run the most expensive Intel CPU that fits in its socket without problems, unlike socket AM3+ where power consumption on the high-end chips would cause instability in inexpensive boards. The Pentium also has a power-sipping 54w TDP, which will be cool and quiet under Intel's stock cooler. My opinion, get something like a $70 B250-chipset board with 8-16GB of DDR4 2400 and use Intel's stock cooler. Either buy the Pentium G4560 at $60, the i3 7100 at $120 (which isn't all that much faster) or the i5 7500 at $200, which is a true quad and the next real, significant step up.
 

H00dini

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Yeah, I checked again and saw that's 2 core and 4 threads. Woah I'm sure that I read for the overheating issue with the g3258 in another forum but the reason may be because it was overclocked to 4.5 or something... So I will go for these parts:
Mobo: Well, here I'm having a dilemma again but this time between the ASRock h110m-dgs and the Asus's h110m-k. The difference between them is like 5$ and I know that they're both good and tough(read that in another discussion here)...
CPU: We're clear here - It's going to be the g4560
Ram: I read in the forum that you can place 2400 MHz on mobo that supports only 2133 MHz and will automatically underclock so the pick is Samsung's 4GB DDR4 2400MHz M378A5244BB0-CRCD0(I will add more later because of the budget)
I guess I am not going to overclock because as You said that only the K processors are the unlocked one and will be satisfied with the stock cooler. Yeah, I know that the TDP is low and I am not going to have a ''furnace'' :D
And yes that's it, thank You for the help!
P.S By the way I don't know who has to close or ''solve'' the discussion because I'm new here...
 
You don't need to close or resolve the thread. It's nice to have an answer selected as best, but it's not a big deal.

Although the G4560 will work in a 1xx chipset (such as H110), it's a new CPU and may not work without a BIOS update, which would require you have another CPU to use first. 2xx chipsets (such as B250) are guaranteed to work out of the box with it. You'll also get 4 RAM slots and some other goodies you might not find on an H110 board.
 
That's probably the least expensive, quality B250 board, and would work fine. If you have the option of getting one for just a few dollars more that has 4 RAM slots, I'd go for that though.

Depending on what part of Europe you're in, PCPartPicker might be able to find parts for you much more easily.
 

H00dini

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Checked PCPartPicker and added the cpu, the mobo and the ram but there wasn't price on the mobo that I chose earlier(the gigabyte one) and went for this:http://pcpartpicker.com/product/VM2rxr/gigabyte-ga-b250m-ds3h-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-ga-b250m-ds3h. Costs the same as the d2v and I think it's even better. The ram was the cheapest DDR4 memory - Crucial's 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 (here's a link: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/d72kcf/crucial-memory-ct4g4dfs8213).
Well, I see that everything fits in my budget but I don't think I can afford the shipping(I am living in southeastern Europe and I am not sure what is the shipment gonna be). Also I don't see the difference in buying the parts from local stores and from Amazon, Newegg, and etc. The shipment will cost me around 2-5$.