$2K editing CPU?

ScrappeyDP

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$2,000 Capturing and Editing build: 1800X vs 7700K vs 6850K

I'm looking to spend around $2K on building a PC that will mostly be used for Capturing, Streaming, Content creation and Editing video. I'm at a loss for which parts to choose.

I'm not sure which CPU to choose now that AMD has the 1800X. And I do plan on running a GPU (either 1080 or 1080TI or dual GPUs if that is worth it), but I am not sure which choice is best. Will most of the load be handed to the GPU so I'm better off spending more budget on the GPU? And will losing PCI lanes cause me problems in the long run? And do I worry about onboard graphics on the CPU?

I need to put at least 1 capture card in the rig. I honestly don't care about the case aesthetic. I would like to have more than 1 capture card, but if that doesn't fit into the build cost, I can add one later. I would prefer PCI capture card. But I also need multiple USB 3.0 ports, an SD card reader. I would like to have USB C as well.

And I would want to run as much RAM as possible. Standard SSD over M.2 because it doesn't seem like performance/$ is worth it yet.

Does anyone have some suggestions?
 

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A lot of what you're asking for is CPU intensive.

3D modeling or rendering is generally GPU intensive.

Ryzen would be your best bet for this with the am4 chipset.

I couldn't answer in the PCIe lanes. You're better off getting a single card if that is a concern. The 1080ti would stomp anything on the consumer scale market (gamers and below). Though, a regular 1080 is nothing to shake a stick at and is almost $200 cheaper.

32 or 64gb of ram.

4x8 or 4x16gb. I recommend Gskill ripjaw V as it tends to be the lowest cost per GB and super reliable.

850evo would do well on the SSD front.

I couldn't tell you about PCIe lanes on the ryzen chipset sorry. You'd need to look up how many lanes are on the AM4 board and which slots use what lanes. Most of the time 16 are dedicated between the first two PCIe slots, as a 1slot at 16x or a two slot at 8 and 8.
 
Ditto, the 1800x is the best choice here.
Are you gaming at all?
What software are you using?
If your software doesn't use GPU acceleration you won't need a high end one, just a basic one like a 1050 that supports 4k.
Do you need a monitor?
Peripherals?
OS?
Overclocking?
 
Another vote for Ryzen here.

If you're happy to overclock then you may as well just get the 1700 and save yourself nearly $170. That's almost the difference between a 1080 and 1080ti (only relevant if you're hardcore gaming, obviously). Once overclocked the difference between the 1800X and 1700 basically disappears, maybe a couple of hundred mhz, but it's hardly going to be noticeable.

In terms of PCIe lanes: The top end X370 chipset allows you to SLI with both x8 lanes to both cards (just fine). Plus you get one x4 PCIe 3.0 M.2 slot. Then most boards give you a few PCI 2.0 slots, which should be absolutely fine for most capture cards. People who really want to deck out the PC with 2 high end graphics cards and multiple NVMe drives, or RAID cards, or things like 10Gbps network cards are not going to have their needs met by the Ryzen motherboards. But the lanes are enough even for most high end workstations like you're looking to put together.
 

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THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSES!!!

I actually have no desire to overclock and stress the system. I'm more looking for longevity.

I forgot to mention acoustics. I would prefer to have a quiet system as well for when Live streaming and/or recording audio.


There is a chance that I will game if I have the power to do so, but currently I game more on PS4 than anything. I honestly would be more likely to use my PS4 than my Steam account and would probably use the rig to capture PS4 gaming more than internal.

I do need a new monitor, but I am trying to do that separate from the build. And plan to use a 1080 monitor until I upgrade.

My biggest priorities are editing 4K footage, and having the power to Green Screen with OBS and the power to scrub thru 4K footage which my current machines can no longer keep up with.

I typically edit using Premiere Pro CC and Davinci Resolve though I have been looking at Lightworks as well. All should be about the same CPU/GPU intensive.

":people who really want to deck out the PC with 2 high end graphics cards and multiple NVMe drives, or RAID cards, or things like 10Gbps network cards are not going to have their needs met by the Ryzen motherboards."

The thing is, I DO want to deck my PC out with high end capture cards and GPUs. NVMe does not seem like it's worth the cost right now, I have a personal cloud NAS so I am not going to run RAID on it. I plan to barely store much on the actual PC and instead load from the NAS or external drives. I would like to get at least a Gigabit card in there, though 10GB is not needed as I won't even see a Gigabit connection for several more years where I live. And I DO want to have future expandability for the machine. Whether that is having a single 1080/1080TI and added another (if needed) or adding additional capture cards or USB3.0 ports, etc. I need at least 4 USB 3.0 ports and an SD card slot. And I'm not sure if that is particular to the motherboard itself, or if I can add those as expansions. but if those are going to take up lanes as well then is the 1800X going to be enough?

I just don't want to spend $2K on a build only to find that I have made a mistake and it can't do all that I desire.



 

ScrappeyDP

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THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSES!!!

I actually have no desire to overclock and stress the system. I'm more looking for longevity.

I forgot to mention acoustics. I would prefer to have a quiet system as well for when Live streaming and/or recording audio.


There is a chance that I will game if I have the power to do so, but currently I game more on PS4 than anything. I honestly would be more likely to use my PS4 than my Steam account and would probably use the rig to capture PS4 gaming more than internal.

I do need a new monitor, but I am trying to do that separate from the build. And plan to use a 1080 monitor until I upgrade.

My biggest priorities are editing 4K footage, and having the power to Green Screen with OBS and the power to scrub thru 4K footage which my current machines can no longer keep up with.

I typically edit using Premiere Pro CC and Davinci Resolve though I have been looking at Lightworks as well. All should be about the same CPU/GPU intensive.

":people who really want to deck out the PC with 2 high end graphics cards and multiple NVMe drives, or RAID cards, or things like 10Gbps network cards are not going to have their needs met by the Ryzen motherboards."

The thing is, I DO want to deck my PC out with high end capture cards and GPUs. NVMe does not seem like it's worth the cost right now, I have a personal cloud NAS so I am not going to run RAID on it. I plan to barely store much on the actual PC and instead load from the NAS or external drives. I would like to get at least a Gigabit card in there, though 10GB is not needed as I won't even see a Gigabit connection for several more years where I live. And I DO want to have future expandability for the machine. Whether that is having a single 1080/1080TI and added another (if needed) or adding additional capture cards or USB3.0 ports, etc. I need at least 4 USB 3.0 ports and an SD card slot. And I'm not sure if that is particular to the motherboard itself, or if I can add those as expansions. but if those are going to take up lanes as well then is the 1800X going to be enough?

I just don't want to spend $2K on a build only to find that I have made a mistake and it can't do all that I desire.


 

ScrappeyDP

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THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSES!!!

I actually have no desire to overclock and stress the system. I'm more looking for longevity.

I forgot to mention acoustics. I would prefer to have a quiet system as well for when Live streaming and/or recording audio.


There is a chance that I will game if I have the power to do so, but currently I game more on PS4 than anything. I honestly would be more likely to use my PS4 than my Steam account and would probably use the rig to capture PS4 gaming more than internal.

I do need a new monitor, but I am trying to do that separate from the build. And plan to use a 1080 monitor until I upgrade.

My biggest priorities are editing 4K footage, and having the power to Green Screen with OBS and the power to scrub thru 4K footage which my current machines can no longer keep up with.

I typically edit using Premiere Pro CC and Davinci Resolve though I have been looking at Lightworks as well. All should be about the same CPU/GPU intensive.

":people who really want to deck out the PC with 2 high end graphics cards and multiple NVMe drives, or RAID cards, or things like 10Gbps network cards are not going to have their needs met by the Ryzen motherboards."

The thing is, I DO want to deck my PC out with high end capture cards and GPUs. NVMe does not seem like it's worth the cost right now, I have a personal cloud NAS so I am not going to run RAID on it. I plan to barely store much on the actual PC and instead load from the NAS or external drives. I would like to get at least a Gigabit card in there, though 10GB is not needed as I won't even see a Gigabit connection for several more years where I live. And I DO want to have future expandability for the machine. Whether that is having a single 1080/1080TI and added another (if needed) or adding additional capture cards or USB3.0 ports, etc. I need at least 4 USB 3.0 ports and an SD card slot. And I'm not sure if that is particular to the motherboard itself, or if I can add those as expansions. but if those are going to take up lanes as well then is the 1800X going to be enough?

I just don't want to spend $2K on a build only to find that I have made a mistake and it can't do all that I desire.



 
Ryzen boards have plenty of PCIe x1 slots, which are enough for the vast majority of capture cards on the market, as well as things like sounds cards, wifi cards, etc.

You might need a better slot for a 3.1 gen 2 USB card, but most people needing additional USB ports would go for a hub instead of another card (most of which only gives you 2 ports anyway). If you get a nice powered hub then the only limitation over an expansion card is that they all share the single link back to the PC. Still though, once 3.1 gen 2 hubs become available that would give the devices on the hub 10Gbps bandwidth (more than 1GBps) back to the PC. That's unlikely to be a significant limiting factor for many years.

On top of that, if you're not intending to game on the PC itself then there's basically no reason to invest in multiple graphics cards. In that case, even if you do find you need another high bandwidth slot in future, you could put it in the second GPU slot, providing x8 lanes of PCIe 3.0. That would drop your GPU to x8 lanes, but that's been shown time and again to make a few % difference to premium GPUs at most.

For a lot of the work you're doing an 8 Core Ryzen is going to outperform any Intel CPU up to the 6900K (at >$1000 USD), which are pretty close performance wise. So either you get a lesser Intel CPU and trade CPU performance for a few extra lanes which *might* be useful in future. Or you pay much, much more for an equivalent performing Intel. I think the AMD is a pretty straightforward decision myself.
 
Here's a solid build, you'll likely see the difference with the 960 Evo in video work due to the transfer rates rather than just the standard OS boot and software most people get SSDs for.
Edit: you don't need a H5 if you're not OCing. ;)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($498.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($189.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.89 @ Newegg)
Other: GTX 1080 Ti Estimated Cost ($699.00)
Total: $1992.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-08 18:58 EST-0500
 

ScrappeyDP

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Awesome. I think the last part of this answers my question.

My issue with running USB hubs is that - as I have already had problems with - pushing the bandwidth down a single USB 3.0 back to PC can't keep up with my needs. I've only been able to plug 2 webcams into a single hub and then it's saturated. I've had similar issues with audio equipment too.

but yeah, if I can still get my capture cards and a USB expansion in there with a single card I might be good.

Thanks!




 


Would you like a 5 1/2" card reader drive bay? I can swap the case for one which supports drive bays if you want.
Or are you aiming for a PCIE add in card? (You can get one of these for USBs too)
 


Would you like a 5 1/2" card reader drive bay? I can swap the case for one which supports drive bays if you want.
Or are you aiming for a PCIE add in card? (You can get one of these for USBs too)
 

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@Chugalug_ YES!!! This is perfect! Thank you.
But why go with a 4x8GB RAM instead of 2x16? or 1x32? leaving expansion for the future?

Will this build run quiet?

Can you help me with an internal 4K capture card?

I know going with an epiphan AVIO external card will likely happen at some point for me, but if I can build it with an internal card that would be ideal. I already have an Aver Media Live Gamer Portable which is 1080, but as I shift to 4K I'm going to need another.


Thanks so much for your advice and part picking!!!!






 

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Do you mean for SD card? Or what is the 5 1/2" bay for?
Will is slow the computer to install it PCIE?

If you mean for SD card I honestly have no preference as long as it doesn't impact performance. reality is I may end up making the transfers from another device to an external drive and duping everything from the external via USB 3.0 or USB C (If I shift there).

IF it means freeing up PCIE for other expansion then yeah I would love to be able to have more future expansion.



 
Awesome. I think the last part of this answers my question.

My issue with running USB hubs is that - as I have already had problems with - pushing the bandwidth down a single USB 3.0 back to PC can't keep up with my needs. I've only been able to plug 2 webcams into a single hub and then it's saturated. I've had similar issues with audio equipment too.

but yeah, if I can still get my capture cards and a USB expansion in there with a single card I might be good.

Thanks!
That hub issue sounds more to do with power than bandwidth. Webcams shouldn't get anywhere near saturating USB 3 transfer speeds. It's definitely an area where higher quality hubs with external power delivery will handle many situations that basic unpowered hubs will not. However, I haven't tried multiple webcams and DACS from a single hub. So perhaps I am being overly optimistic.

Anyway, I just double-checked the specs on Ryzen and the standard X370 boards give you a total 12 USB 3 ports (2 gen 2, 10 gen 1), as well as 6 USB 2 ports. Surely that's enough? Higher end motherboards offer additional Gen 2 (10gbps) ports as well, boards with a total of 20 USB ports (4 gen 2, 10 gen 1, 6 USB 2) are not hard to come by or particularly expensive. That'll keep you out of trouble for a while, surely!?
 

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I have tried multiple powered hubs. Believe me, if it was just power I would have solved it. It may also be my USB 3.0 port. But I have ran into the issue using audio controllers (DJ equipment/music production equipment) and when trying to stream/capture using software with multiple cams. I'm almost certain it's not the software's issue... I guess it could also be my internal CPU because I'm running everything on a laptop with no GPU using a: Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)

But having run into the issue is the reason I would like to have multiple ports for USB.

but yes, if those boards do come with that many ports then I should be good. Thanks! I just didn't know how many are on the board... (honestly I'm still confused a little about how the I/O works on the board then.... are all those available as straight plug in ports sticking out the back of the case then? or how is all the plugging in happening?)



 
I have tried multiple powered hubs. Believe me, if it was just power I would have solved it. It may also be my USB 3.0 port. But I have ran into the issue using audio controllers (DJ equipment/music production equipment) and when trying to stream/capture using software with multiple cams. I'm almost certain it's not the software's issue... I guess it could also be my internal CPU because I'm running everything on a laptop with no GPU using a: Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)

But having run into the issue is the reason I would like to have multiple ports for USB.
It's going back a ways and I might be mistaken, but some of the chipsets with the i5-2520M CPUs did NOT support USB 3 natively and relied on early non-Intel USB 3 controllers from companies like ASMedia, which can absolutely cause issues (I've run into those myself!). But for sure I understand your preference. If you're running a number of high bandwidth devices then preferring dedicated USB ports makes sense.

but yes, if those boards do come with that many ports then I should be good. Thanks! I just didn't know how many are on the board... (honestly I'm still confused a little about how the I/O works on the board then.... are all those available as straight plug in ports sticking out the back of the case then? or how is all the plugging in happening?)
It depends on the motherboard you purchase. Basically the different Ryzen chipsets offer different numbers of USB ports (so a standard X370 provides a total of 14 USB ports, while a standard B350 chipset offers a total of 10). Then motherboards will often include their own USB controllers to provide more ports. That's basically like having a USB add in card except that it's built into the motherboard. Then the motherboard manufacturer decides how to make all those ports available, splitting them between the rear IO shield and headers for connecting to front panels.

When you come to choose a motherboard look at the detailed specs, they will tell you how many USB ports (at what speed) are available on the rear and as headers for front panels. Pick a board with a layout that suits your needs and the case you purchase. So, for example, don't get a motherboard which makes 6 USB ports available through headers if your case only has 2 USB ports on the front... the rest would be wasted.

Final thing is that if you do get a board with additional USB ports through a ASMedia controller or the like, make sure you put your critical components on the chipset USB ports. In my experience they tend to have better driver support for higher stability and better performance. The mobo manual will tell you which ports come from which controllers. They're often separated with different colours too.
 
In case it's not obvious, ports on the rear IO shield are literally just ports on the back of your computer.

A couple may be "Type C" (which is the new standard - requiring different cables), but most will be "Type A" which is the bog-standard USB port which has been around for ever.

The headers are a different standard, cases will come with a combination of USB 2 and/or USB 3 ports on the front... and the connectors are different. So USB 2 front panel connectors require USB 2 onboard headers (from the motherboard) and USB 3 require the different USB 3 headers.
 

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I am leaning toward the build that @Chugalug_ posted (listed below)

I'm afraid if I go making a bunch of my own choices I will have either overlooked something or not known enough about a modern build where I choose parts that won't work together. I haven't been inside a box for anything but RAM and drive upgrades since about 2005. This will be my first build in literally like 2 decades! ... I've been inside my laptops and I know a little... but when it comes to modern PCs I know only enough to be dangerous unless I follow someone's advice. And if I am going to throw down $2,000 I don't want to make a mistake and I want to know my build is optimized for today while also being capable for tomorrow, next year, 3 years from now... or until I shift to 8K.


Thanks for all your advice and help!


Edit: you don't need a H5 if you're not OCing. ;)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($498.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($189.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.89 @ Newegg)
Other: GTX 1080 Ti Estimated Cost ($699.00)
Total: $1992.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-08 18:58 EST-0500




 
That's fine Scrappey, I can update you on the current landscape if you want. :)
Higher RAM speed and threads help with improving rendering speeds etc.
AMD haven't made a CPU in ages, but just released their Ryzen 7 high end CPUs which are highly optimized for rendering and video work, but struggle in games compared to Intel's most recent x series CPUs and i7s.

1TB is now considered the minimum for storage, with 2TB being for larger use like more games or video work, and an SSD being optimal for the latter.
SSDs speed up OS boot time and loading times for software, they also help with heavy file transfer due to their high read/write speeds.

8k is ages off, 4k will remain the standard for at least 5 years to come.
Its essentially running 4x 4k displays.

 
2k isn't 2x 1080p.
2k is a resolution that is roughly equivalent to 1.6x 1080p.
4k is a direct translation of 4x 1080p, think of it as area in maths terms, not straight numbers.
8k however is different, you can't exactly put 8 1080ps in a square, you need 16 right?
You can't just double dimensions and expect them to add up, it's a multiplication equation, not addition. It needs to be bigger.
henceforth 4k is 4 lots of 1080p and 8k is 4 lots of 4k.
 

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I LOVE this!... but I'm not that slow :)

I do realize AMD just launched their Ryzen line to try and catch up to Intel... I was actually hoping Intel would slash their 6900 price to be competitive around the $600 range...
I have watched some reviews on Ryzen and I try to stay up on the mainstream basics on youtube tech channels. I know all about the drama with GamersNexus and their gaming results... but that's kind of why I am confused because I really don't plan on gaming that much, but if games aren't being developed to optimize ryzen then I'm afraid that other software like Premiere or Resolve or Lightworks, etc. won't run as optimally or fast on an AMD as if I had an Intel chip. ... From what I understand Windows 10 as on OS isn't even optimized to Ryzen... (P.S. Windows 10 with possibly a Linux Mint dualboot for the new build)

I have 16TB of external storage that is also available via my NAS. I have a cloud device with 4TB built in and I have another 8TB 3.5" Seagate external and another 4TB WD all can daisy chain into the NAS. though I more likely plug the latter 2 in via USB.

I also have an older Crucial M550 2.5" 128GB SSD (and 2 mechanical 160GB 2.5") drive that I pulled out of my laptops when I upgraded them to SSDs (I have 4 Fujitsu Lifebooks, 1 on mint, 2 are T900s on Windows 10 and 1 is a T901 on Windows 10).

I do understand what you mean about what is considered the minimum now and if the prices are where they are quoted I'm cool with that. even though I still plan to try and run the build as clean as possible and store anything not being worked on off the machine. But I guess for future expansion and if I do plan to throw a few games on it... but yes definitely an SSD for the boot drive. if it's cost effective to add another drive for storage adding the mechanical seems like a good deal...

I realize it seems like 8K is far off, but I was shooting 4K in 2013 and there are 8K and 10K cameras that are becoming more standard. And even if I render at 4K, working with an 8K image means that cropping can be done and still have full resolution. I'm looking to future proof myself more-so so I don't run into the issues I am now with scrubbing and extreme render times trying to use my existing rigs. ... 2018 you will see a cell phone shooting 8K ;-) you can quote me!

Oh, another thing that I believe is probably not going to happen, but IF possible I would also desire a FireWire port. I have an old MIDI controller Project Mix I/O that I use as a mixer because it has motorized faders and still runs well and I am so used to editing with it.. it is Firewire only. Discontinued. I have actually had to replace the firewire board myself to keep it going. but I would love to continue being able to use it with the new rig.

Reality it I rarely have issues with the audio production I do now, so I can still get away with using my laptops for some of it, but if I would edit video using the controller that would be super nice.


Would it be possible for me to throw you some money and have you help consult me on the build? As in help me choose the specific parts and then when I get them - I will probably shoot a video of my assembly process- if I run into issues assembling or getting it to post or optimize be available to answer questions/help me thru the process?

I'm not even sure if I need to buy additional cables or cards for networking, etc. or if the parts come with the necessary cables and the motherboard has an inbuilt networking...


4K is named for being almost 4000 pixels wide, or 3840 to be exact. 1080p is technically 2K, because it's 1920 pixels wide. What people are now calling 2K is 2560 pixels wide


The number is in reference to the horizontal dimension, or the width. To the thousand pixels.
Don't worry, if you're not confused yet, just wait for all the "18:9" not "2:1" displays to be released and F EVERYONE up.

but yes, I do also want a display recommendation if you have one. Obviously 4K. but I may not necessarily go with it depending on price and value because I may go on a display hunt myself.


Thanks for all your help again. You guys are the best. I know if I came here someone would give me some assistance!! Thanks for making this community have reputation enough to bring me here!!



 
I gotta go for now but will check back later...

You haven't listed a GPU in your build yet though... Ryzen has no onboard so needs a GPU. And you'll want one for your high res editing workflows anyway.

Also - is your monitor included in the 2K budget, or can you put the rig together for 2K and then have a separate monitor budget?

I'll check back later.
 
Yeah, that's a better explanation. :)
I listed a 1080ti in the build, see under 'other'.
OP said the monitor was on a separate budget.
However, 8k really is that far away, it will only really become available to the mainstream public to buy next year at CES if a panel manufacturer gets really ballsy, but I doubt that.
Phone cameras won't begin shooting 8k because the demand for resolution and the supported res in both the CPU and included graphics chip is too high, this is four times 4k remember, we just hit 4k recording 60fps last year I believe.

In the professional photo and video market it will become a thing for sure though in the near future.
Camera that can shoot at that high a resolution are only just entering the market, they haven't been adopted on a large scale yet, and they're god damn expensive, same goes for TVs. :eek:

Only time will tell when we get this really, but at the moment I suspect that those particular people are focusing on OLED, as the consumer market currently has no 8k content, and even professionally that scale is limited.