I knew exactly what I'm using ... he stated last generation stuff, that's what I gave him. Buying last gen stuff is like buying last year's model car off the dealer's lot when the new ones arrive, no real impact here but a significant price drop ... I'd be interested in seeing a list of what you think that B250 provides that improves anything over Z170 .. I mean outside of being "new and shiny".
The older gen can provides additional value, minimizing his budget impact and keep away from the lesser user experience which you have suggested. Let's count the ways:
- B series MoBos are usually equipped with substandard (ALC ALC 887 / 892) on board sound, resulting in decreased user experience, so .... while he loses nothing with H170 / Z170 and gains a few features that likely won't impact the user experience, you have put a big nerf on the gaming experience in the sound department downgrading from ALC 1150 to ALC 892
-The initial build I did had a H170 MoBo but I noticed that the the Z170 (w/ ALC 1150) gave him a free / comparable case, a gaming worthy sound platform and was cheaper to boot.... that's called a win-win-win situation
-Hybrid drives are an awful choice ? ... support that statement please. This is a gaming box so booting form a fast SSD is little comfort when most of ya games are sitting on a very slow HD. We have not installed a HD in 7 years, not one SSD has failed in that time. Most boxes will come equipped with an SSD + SSHD, the one I am typing from has 2 of each. We have done extensive user testing on this topic. The Blue gives him a 2 year warranty as opposed to 5 with the SSHD .. the combo gives hm 1.25 GB of storage as opposed to 2.00 GB ... That's a lose-lose-lose (lower storage space, lower warranty, lower gaming performance) situation when it comes to playing most of ya game library.
Two laptops, one with SSHD and one with SSD + HD (5 users using workstation apps and gaming) ... no one could tell the difference. Two desktops, SSD, HD and SSHD blind test, booting and working off SSD, SSHD or HD.... after 6 weeks no one noticed anything .. except for one user who, in one instance, we set to boot off the HD after the SSHD boot the day before said "boot time felt slower". Repeated the same scenario multiple times, no on noticed. Yes, if you stare at the screen or use a stop watch you might notice, but in the course of normal everyday usage, unless ya tell them "let me load windows 2 times and tell me which one is faster", they don't notice. And no, they certainly don't notice the 0.9 seconds between the SSD and SSHD.
Boot Time on SSD = 15.6 seconds
Boot time from SSHD = 16.5 seconds
While I doubt the user will be very upset by the loss of 0.9 seconds at boot time, I think he'll be pleased with the gaming performance which is
2.4 times faster. ... 1.5 times as fast as the much more expensive WD Black.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-17-PCMark-7-Gaming,2915.html
Seagate SSHD - 976 MB/s
WD Black - 6.34 MB/s
WD Blue - 4.01 MB/s
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Bothered to read the thread title ? .. the stated goal was 1440p, not 1080p so your build is simply non responsive. As I clearly stated, I
didn't want to touch the monitor as its not one I'd recommend. But what I would replace it with either a) would not not meet the conditions stipulated by the thread title or b) would kill the budget.
- No upgrade opportunities w/o a complete rebuild ... no possible addition of a 2nd GFX card whereby system life miht be extended another 18-24 months with a PSU / upgrade and 2nd card
-Oh yes the famous failed EVGA 1070 SC series w/ 114C VRMs ... great recommendation. The successor to the EVGA 970 SC in which 1 of the 3 heat pipes miss the GPU and again had missing thermal pads... the card that uses reference PCB, VRM and which they originally failed to cool properly. The thermal pads solved the 114C but still left with a PCB that doesn't measure up. If you are going to recommend EVGA at least recommend the iCX model which fixes at least some of the deficiencies.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-sc15-qr-cooling-icx,33387.html
Although the high temperatures seemed to only occur with specific workloads (particularly Furmark) and every ACX 3.0 graphics card shipped after November 1, 2016, was updated, this could have been the final nail in the ACX cooling coffin (this wasn’t the first ACX-related issue we’ve seen in the last few years). We see the new iCX -branded graphics cards as a vehicle to not only give EVGA the opportunity to improve its graphics cooling from a design standpoint but also to deviate from a seemingly-tarnished namesake of ACX cooling.
I did make a mistake, my bad, I was looking for the MSI Armor and mistakenly clicked the Aero.... my mistake. But we don't use EVGA SC series cards (FTW is fine except for the 10xx series) and haven't since the 5xx series when they made a name for themselves by frying VRMS. The SCs series VRM always pales against the competition. You make fun of the Aero card w/ it's reference PCB but the EVGA has historically used the same PCB and VRM going back 5 generations now. Since the 5xx series, we've either used Asus, Giga or MSI and since 9xx we dropped Asus, tho that are up in the running again with 10xx. With the demand for the Armor driving prices up again, we'd go with the Gigayte model w/ $374.98 price tag delivered...
$5 cheaper than the EVGA and its real pcpartpicker price of $379.99 delivered, from Amazon
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ph38TW/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-sc-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-5173-kr
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4XyxFT/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-windforce-oc-video-card-gv-n1070wf2oc-8gd
Interesting effort there, ignoring the real lowest price delivered as listed on pcpartpicker for the EVGA model which was $379.99 in order to claim a fake price advantage ... when buying it from amazon actually costs more after adding the +$7.25 s/h and a total price to the user of $381.25
The use of last generation parts was intentional... it's a budget saver and the Z170 is a superior option to B250 in many ways and the listed MoBo is far and away superior to Asrocks extreme low budget model of today. An while a Z170 was by now means necessary it was cheaper than the H170 option and for $14 the user could get a 6600k and i would highly recommend doing so.
Yes, if the user was to say that he could swing an extra $50 or so. I most certainly would have recommended H270 or Z270 but not if it came with ALC 887 / 892