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JoeyAngelo

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First, let me start out with what I have:

PS-132-101 600 WATT 80 PLUS POWER SUPPLY
Motherboard: IGABYTE GA-970A-D3P AM3+ CROSSFIRE USB3.0 SATA 3
CPU: AMD 9590 (huge mistake, I know) used to have AMD FX-8320
Graphics : ASUS Strix R9 390 and 16 gigs ddr3 ram.

Now, here is my dilemma. I upgraded to the 9590, without realizing how hot it ran. I realized that the 8320's stock liquid cooler wasn't gonna cut it. After consulting with AMD forums, and here (you guys are great), I realized that I needed a heavy duty cooler, so I got the Noctua D-14. It was over-cooling at times, which was nice. But, while I did notice a huge improvement with gaming, specifically Dying Light, other games like Overwatch will drop frames and I know I'm getting throttled. The damn game should not be experiencing drops even at ultra, messed with settings and still do not get a performance that is consistent with my PS4, which is ridiculous. Anyhow, I'm considering going back. Mostly because the Noctua fan is huge, and it's almost grazing my RAM, but my main concern is that I had to remove a huge fan on the side of my case in order to accommodate.

Do you all think that the reason I'm having these issues is due to lacking airflow? Throttled? If so, should I get a good liquid cooler and install the fan again? Or, should I revert back and get a better/smaller cooler and install the fan with the 8320 chip. Will I see improvements with FPS in most games? I just wanna know if the downgrade (if you can call it that) will improve my performance, as well as if it's worth investing in another cooler with the 8320. Or should I just get a different cooler for the 9590. Sorry for the rambling, just want to be clear on what I'm asking. lol


EDIT: Thanks for the input everyone! I'm going back to the previous CPU, I think it will be less of a hassle. I'll buy a good air cooler, then install the fan I had previously to maximize airflow.
 
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I don't think you should have a cooling problem unless you are trying to OC the 9590. I have my 8350 OC'ed to the same clock speed as your 9590, and it is cooled just fine with a simple 212 EVO with push-pull fans. If your CPU is really throttling, does it do it when temps get above a certain level?
 
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Run a hardware monitor and windows resource monitor in the background behind your game.
When you drop frames, Alt tab out of the game, and look at the CPU load and temperatures.
If your CPU is at 100%, it is bottlenecked.
If your CPU is too hot, take the side of your case off, point a desktop fan or similar at it, then try again. If your problems go away, you know you need a better case fan. If the problems remain, your CPU cooler is not properly installed.
 
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See that's thing, I think it's running at healthy temps, but I read online that if it goes over 62 degrees it will throttle, or is known to do so. So I'm trying to figure out what is causing this. I don't think it's happening with overwatch, that I'm aware, but I know that this CPU is power hungry, so I'm at a loss. I shouldn't have performance issues with this game at least, it's kinda crazy due to how simple it is.
 
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So would you suggest just going back to the previous one and just getting a smaller equally effective cooler and adding the fan back? Just wondering. I mean it can run a lot of games without a problem but some games it seems like I could be doing a lot better. And I would not expect this to be a thing with Overwatch. And yeah i've never actually experienced crashes, shut downs or anything. But if that's the case, I should definitely go back.
 
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I will do that as soon as I can. Thanks!
 
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13th monkey has made a very valid point. The power for your CPU comes from the motherboard, and if your CPU draws too much power, the motherboard VRM will overheat and throttle your CPU.
If you want to check if he is correct, UNDERCLOCK your CPU by 500Mhz, and drop the Vcore voltage as much as you can without crashing. This will greatly reduce the load on your motherboard VRM.
If your games play consistently with no CPU throttling at a lower CPU speed, then 13th monkey is correct.
 
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So in your opinion, should I go back to the 8320? If I do, will changing the Noctua D14 be worth the hassle? And installing another fan on the side be a good idea?
 
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Hi Joey
You need to do the tests.
If the underclock cures your throttling problem, then your motherboard can't cope with your CPU power requirements.
If your CPU overheats when gaming, your cooler is badly installed.
If taking the side of your case off cures the throttling problem, you need a better case fan.
Good luck
 
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