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How can they afford to sell this cheap

Ive been looking into building my own computer for a while now, and on eBay theres a lot of already built computers, but i don't really like any of the cases ( I know not a massive problem could just switch over the case) but I've come across this computer http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMD-A10-7860K-Quad-Core-4-00GHz-500GB-16GB-Radeon-R7-Gaming-PC-VQG-/191648749830?hash=item2c9f27d906:g:MtQAAOSwo6lWF6BR

and Using Parts picker and really shopping around for parts i still cant get it for that price, how can they afford to sell them out at this price.

Also what is everyone thoughts on them specs?
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  1. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: AMD A10-7860k 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£97.61 @ CCL Computers)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£37.20 @ Aria PC)
    Memory: ADATA XPG V1.0 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£73.17 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£23.99 @ Aria PC)
    Case: Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case (£26.48 @ Aria PC)
    Power Supply: FSP Group HEXA+ 500W ATX Power Supply (£36.99 @ Ebuyer)
    Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer (£18.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £314.43
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-12 16:30 GMT+0000


    Because they use crap parts like this.
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  2. scamcity
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  3. That's not a scam. It's just not a good build
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  4. Supahos said:
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: AMD A10-7860k 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£97.61 @ CCL Computers)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£37.20 @ Aria PC)
    Memory: ADATA XPG V1.0 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£73.17 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£23.99 @ Aria PC)
    Case: Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case (£26.48 @ Aria PC)
    Power Supply: FSP Group HEXA+ 500W ATX Power Supply (£36.99 @ Ebuyer)
    Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer (£18.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £314.43
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-12 16:30 GMT+0000


    Because they use crap parts like this.



    Thanks for your reply, If you had a budget of 450, What would be the best possible machine that could be built? For Photoshop, Editing, Dual Monitors, and Low Level Gaming ( Runescape ) < My cousin plays sometimes when he comes over
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  5. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£168.59 @ Aria PC)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£69.24 @ Aria PC)
    Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£49.85 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.80 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 460 2GB Dual OC Video Card (£85.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case (£26.99 @ Novatech)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.98 @ Ebuyer)
    Total: £488.44
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-12 16:55 GMT+0000


    Bit over budget but will be a great performer for the price.


    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (£52.34 @ BT Shop)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£69.24 @ Aria PC)
    Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£49.85 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.80 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 460 2GB Dual OC Video Card (£85.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case (£26.99 @ Novatech)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.98 @ Ebuyer)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£87.78 @ Aria PC)
    Total: £459.97
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-12 16:56 GMT+0000


    You will need a copy of Windows as well if the budget concerns are tight this may be a better option.
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  6. Is the i5 better than the a10?
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  7. Both of them are better than the a10
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  8. tec123 said:
    Supahos said:
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: AMD A10-7860k 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£97.61 @ CCL Computers)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£37.20 @ Aria PC)
    Memory: ADATA XPG V1.0 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£73.17 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£23.99 @ Aria PC)
    Case: Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case (£26.48 @ Aria PC)
    Power Supply: FSP Group HEXA+ 500W ATX Power Supply (£36.99 @ Ebuyer)
    Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer (£18.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £314.43
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-12 16:30 GMT+0000


    Because they use crap parts like this.



    Thanks for your reply, If you had a budget of 450, What would be the best possible machine that could be built? For Photoshop, Editing, Dual Monitors, and Low Level Gaming ( Runescape ) < My cousin plays sometimes when he comes over


    What parts and/or peripherals do you have already? What about OS? Most inexpensive builds, especially found on eBay, are low quality parts. They may last a while if never pushed, but if they are, they won't last long.

    tec123 said:
    Is the i5 better than the a10?

    Yes.
    In order of performance (best to worst):
    i7
    i5
    i3
    Pentium (just barely better than the A10 by performance charts)
    A10-7xxx

    How much noticeably? Depends on you. What you're used to, etc.
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  9. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-A10-7860K-APU/3892vsm83781

    That's the old pentiums indie the new ones are old i3s (have hyperthreading)
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  10. Supahos said:
    http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-A10-7860K-APU/3892vsm83781

    That's the old pentiums indie the new ones are old i3s (have hyperthreading)


    Meh... not according to Toms here.
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  11. Where?
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  14. Places that sell in bulk get parts for better prices than individuals can get them. They also cut corners anywhere they can to drive cost down. Low end drives, low end cases, low end psu's with barely enough power to handle the rig being sold.

    The hierarchy page is somewhat of a generic comparison. A modern pentium is easily better than a8/a10 kaveri's. The g4560 that supahos linked to is a 2c/4t model, in essence an i3 which have classically been 2c/4t cpu's. The old pentium's were 2c/2t. It's 2/3 the price of a kaveri and paired with a dedicated gpu it will easily outperform an apu.

    When it comes to gaming, the g4560 outperforms both the fx 6300 and athlon x4's in all the games tested in this review. Ac unity, witcher 3, ashes, crysis 3, the division, far cry primal, rise of the tomb raider.
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-pentium-g4560-budget-cpu-king-review

    Runescape isn't all that cpu intensive, it's a pretty lightweight browser based game. Editing, it depends what kind of editing. Obviously any lower budget cpu is going to struggle some in proportion to how budget it is if talking about video editing. An i3 will be slightly better than a pentium (even a 2c/4t model), an i5 with 4 true cores would be better, an i7 would be better yet but the budget is limited. For photoshop, most operations are still based on just a couple of cores so the g4560 should still do ok.

    http://www.techspot.com/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page2.html

    The reason the pentium is slightly outperformed by the more expensive 7th gen i3's, they're clocked 500-700mhz faster than the g4560. That has a lot to do with it and the actual differences aren't much. Out of the box the g4560 was only 6% slower than an 8c/8t fx 8320e which highlights the fact that photoshop doesn't make much use of high core/thread count.
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  15. synphul said:
    Places that sell in bulk get parts for better prices than individuals can get them. They also cut corners anywhere they can to drive cost down. Low end drives, low end cases, low end psu's with barely enough power to handle the rig being sold.

    The hierarchy page is somewhat of a generic comparison. A modern pentium is easily better than a8/a10 kaveri's. The g4560 that supahos linked to is a 2c/4t model, in essence an i3 which have classically been 2c/4t cpu's. The old pentium's were 2c/2t. It's 2/3 the price of a kaveri and paired with a dedicated gpu it will easily outperform an apu.

    When it comes to gaming, the g4560 outperforms both the fx 6300 and athlon x4's in all the games tested in this review. Ac unity, witcher 3, ashes, crysis 3, the division, far cry primal, rise of the tomb raider.
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-pentium-g4560-budget-cpu-king-review

    Runescape isn't all that cpu intensive, it's a pretty lightweight browser based game. Editing, it depends what kind of editing. Obviously any lower budget cpu is going to struggle some in proportion to how budget it is if talking about video editing. An i3 will be slightly better than a pentium (even a 2c/4t model), an i5 with 4 true cores would be better, an i7 would be better yet but the budget is limited. For photoshop, most operations are still based on just a couple of cores so the g4560 should still do ok.

    http://www.techspot.com/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page2.html

    The reason the pentium is slightly outperformed by the more expensive 7th gen i3's, they're clocked 500-700mhz faster than the g4560. That has a lot to do with it and the actual differences aren't much. Out of the box the g4560 was only 6% slower than an 8c/8t fx 8320e which highlights the fact that photoshop doesn't make much use of high core/thread count.


    Perhaps a finer grain of breakdown would be in order for the hierarchy list. It does seem to be a little to generalized then.
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  16. The point is they aren't going to split hairs. Making 25 tiers doesn't make sense either. After you get below the top two tiers a single tier drop is pretty big. Look at any performance metrics and a 4650 shreds any fm2 chip (if using a gpu)
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  17. I don't know if this adds a spanner in the works or if i can now afford a better system for 350-400

    But i have a Corsair 88R Case, a nVidia GTX 750, and a copy of windows 7 64 bit, all of a friend, so with them components being donated can i get a better system as I'm saving buying them?
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    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£187.99 @ Aria PC)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£62.80 @ Aria PC)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£59.30 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.75 @ Amazon UK)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.98 @ Ebuyer)
    Total: £398.82
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-17 20:39 GMT+0000


    May actually be a tiny bit worse gaming on day one (750 isn't as strong as a 460 or really even close) but will still perform okay at lower settings and all you need is a better GPU later for a much better computer overall
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  19. Supahos said:
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£187.99 @ Aria PC)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£62.80 @ Aria PC)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£59.30 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.75 @ Amazon UK)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.98 @ Ebuyer)
    Total: £398.82
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-17 20:39 GMT+0000


    May actually be a tiny bit worse gaming on day one (750 isn't as strong as a 460 or really even close) but will still perform okay at lower settings and all you need is a better GPU later for a much better computer overall


    Ive decided to go with your first set of parts

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£168.59 @ Aria PC)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£69.48 @ Amazon UK)
    Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£65.11 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.49 @ Eclipse Computers)
    Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 460 2GB Dual OC Video Card (£96.95 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case (£23.04 @ Aria PC)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic ECO 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.56 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £511.22
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-18 21:57 GMT+0000

    Im just wondering how this would perform compared to something like this?



    https://gyazo.com/c320fe1760233d45ff663098c184b922
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  20. In almost every case mine would win. CPU is little bit slower. Switch it to a 7500 and it's almost identical performance wise, but the GPU is a good bit better. Most games are more GPU bound than cpu
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  21. Supahos said:
    In almost every case mine would win. CPU is little bit slower. Switch it to a 7500 and it's almost identical performance wise, but the GPU is a good bit better. Most games are more GPU bound than cpu


    Brilliant thanks for your help and your patience!
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  22. Supahos said:
    In almost every case mine would win. CPU is little bit slower. Switch it to a 7500 and it's almost identical performance wise, but the GPU is a good bit better. Most games are more GPU bound than cpu


    Could i switch the PSU for

    https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/Non-Modular+650W+or+less/EVGA+430W+80+Plus+Power+Supply+%28100-W1-0430-KR%29+?productId=62953

    Or is the one you suggested better? Just because im already getting some components from Aria
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  23. tec123 said:
    Supahos said:
    In almost every case mine would win. CPU is little bit slower. Switch it to a 7500 and it's almost identical performance wise, but the GPU is a good bit better. Most games are more GPU bound than cpu


    Could i switch the PSU for

    https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/Non-Modular+650W+or+less/EVGA+430W+80+Plus+Power+Supply+%28100-W1-0430-KR%29+?productId=62953

    Or is the one you suggested better? Just because im already getting some components from Aria


    While it is a EVGA 100-W1-0430-KR 430W Power Supply, and certainly not the best, (the Seasonic is quite a bit better) it may be sufficient enough for your needs. On a personal note, if I could hold out and raise a few more quid, for the Seasonic, I'd do so.
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  24. shrapnel_indie said:
    tec123 said:
    Supahos said:
    In almost every case mine would win. CPU is little bit slower. Switch it to a 7500 and it's almost identical performance wise, but the GPU is a good bit better. Most games are more GPU bound than cpu


    Could i switch the PSU for

    https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/Non-Modular+650W+or+less/EVGA+430W+80+Plus+Power+Supply+%28100-W1-0430-KR%29+?productId=62953

    Or is the one you suggested better? Just because im already getting some components from Aria


    While it is a EVGA 100-W1-0430-KR 430W Power Supply, and certainly not the best, (the Seasonic is quite a bit better) it may be sufficient enough for your needs. On a personal note, if I could hold out and raise a few more quid, for the Seasonic, I'd do so.


    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nppLHN

    Ive change the list a little is there anything you would change? Someone recommended the motherboard as a

    Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

    and changing GFX to Palit GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB StormX Video Card
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  25. tec123 said:
    shrapnel_indie said:
    tec123 said:
    Supahos said:
    In almost every case mine would win. CPU is little bit slower. Switch it to a 7500 and it's almost identical performance wise, but the GPU is a good bit better. Most games are more GPU bound than cpu


    Could i switch the PSU for

    https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/Non-Modular+650W+or+less/EVGA+430W+80+Plus+Power+Supply+%28100-W1-0430-KR%29+?productId=62953

    Or is the one you suggested better? Just because im already getting some components from Aria


    While it is a EVGA 100-W1-0430-KR 430W Power Supply, and certainly not the best, (the Seasonic is quite a bit better) it may be sufficient enough for your needs. On a personal note, if I could hold out and raise a few more quid, for the Seasonic, I'd do so.


    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nppLHN

    Ive change the list a little is there anything you would change? Someone recommended the motherboard as a

    Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

    and changing GFX to Palit GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB StormX Video Card


    Palit is a rare thing in the States, but from what I hear, they're not that bad... the 1050ti will outperform the 460 enough to be worth it. Gigabyte in general is good. I see no issues.
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  26. shrapnel_indie said:
    tec123 said:
    shrapnel_indie said:
    tec123 said:
    Supahos said:
    In almost every case mine would win. CPU is little bit slower. Switch it to a 7500 and it's almost identical performance wise, but the GPU is a good bit better. Most games are more GPU bound than cpu


    Could i switch the PSU for

    https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/Non-Modular+650W+or+less/EVGA+430W+80+Plus+Power+Supply+%28100-W1-0430-KR%29+?productId=62953

    Or is the one you suggested better? Just because im already getting some components from Aria


    While it is a EVGA 100-W1-0430-KR 430W Power Supply, and certainly not the best, (the Seasonic is quite a bit better) it may be sufficient enough for your needs. On a personal note, if I could hold out and raise a few more quid, for the Seasonic, I'd do so.


    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nppLHN

    Ive change the list a little is there anything you would change? Someone recommended the motherboard as a

    Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

    and changing GFX to Palit GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB StormX Video Card


    Palit is a rare thing in the States, but from what I hear, they're not that bad... the 1050ti will outperform the 460 enough to be worth it. Gigabyte in general is good. I see no issues.


    Ok thanks for help, so what boards better out the two?
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  27. tec123 said:
    shrapnel_indie said:
    tec123 said:


    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nppLHN

    Ive change the list a little is there anything you would change? Someone recommended the motherboard as a

    Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

    and changing GFX to Palit GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB StormX Video Card


    Palit is a rare thing in the States, but from what I hear, they're not that bad... the 1050ti will outperform the 460 enough to be worth it. Gigabyte in general is good. I see no issues.


    Ok thanks for help, so what boards better out the two?


    (This I think I already stated) Okay. If I were the one making the choice, between the RX460 and GTX-1050ti, I would side with the 1050ti (I would prefer the AMD, but the NVidia does outperform it.)

    When it comes to the motherboards, I would go with the GA-B250M-DS3H over the D2V, The DS3H offers more of an upgrade path in the future, such as an M.2 SSD slot. (A great feature when budget permits),

    EDIT: Here is a quick side-by-side comparison between the two motherboards: http://uk.gigabyte.com/Comparison/Result/2?pids=6124,6129
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