120gb ssd or 240gb?

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I would like to know if the 120gb ssd will be enough for Windows 10 pro 64-bit and pther windows programs only. Anything else like games and other apps will be on my hdd. Will that be okay? And also, i dont have a gpu yet might as well ask it, do i go for gpu or ssd first?
 
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120GB is enough for OS (Windows 10), several programs (MS Office, Adobe Suite, AutoCAD, Sketchup, Corel, etc.), several utilities (Anti-Virus, Diagnostic Tools, Benchmarking Tools, etc.) and would still have space for one or two AAA games leaving about 10-15% free space (I have a 120GB SSD paired with 2TB HDDs).

However, it is highly recommended to get the ~240GB version instead. This will give you more room if you wish to install a higher number of open-world games that can take a slight advantage in loading times with the SSD.

GPU or SSD, it depends on what your budget is and your current setup.
 

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120 gb is enough for Win 10 and like your web browser, office, and a few other things like that. Up until yesterday thats what I was running with no issues.

However 240 gb is nice because you can throw a game or two on there with no worries and enjoy that fast loading benefit.

SSDs are not essential, a GPU is FAR more important for gaming.
 


Yes it will. I have a 120GB for my OS, programs and a couple games. I can rotate games in and out as well which helps to add value.

I need more info for the second part. Do you already have a PC? What parts do you have now?
 
It's hard to use up 120GB (probably closer to 90GB) without installing games, however 250GB might only cost about 50% more so for comparable drives it might be $65 vs $100.

If the 250GB cost more I'd say go with 120GB but I say get the 250GB to avoid any potential space issues down the road.

The SSD will also wear out far slower if you're at 40% usage instead of 80% usage. (probably NOT an issue in the next couple years but it will add to the life of the SSD as long as it doesn't fail due to a different reason)

*Avoid many of the cheaper SSD's. I'd go with the Samsung 850 or similar. (see pcpartpicker)
 

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I do have a setup. Check my signature.

 

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My current setup is on my signature. Also, i dont plan to use the ssd for game as i dont need the faster load times and/or the better performance of the game via the ssd. I have a 1x2TB HDD.
 

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I have a 120GB SSD in mind, the Zotac T500 the 120gb costs only around $50. :)
 

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I have around $100 for now and was considering the better performance for now as the GPU in my mind that i would to pair with my setup is Gainwars 1060 6gb my cpu will have a slight bottleneck but will still perform okay as far as the reviews and gameplays i've seen.
 

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Hmm good point but my main reason in getting an ssd is only for windows files (os, ms office) as those things are what i really need.
 
Get the bigger one, the 120 gb will be filled up quickly, even a 240gb is a bit small nowadays. Also there is the fact that SSD's perform worse when they are almost full, best to keep them at no more than 75% ish full.

SSD or GU first is a matter of usage of the PC. DO you like to play games or do you do productivity/work on the pc? An SSD will not speed up the computer, it will only (greatly) speed up boot/loading times for games and read/write operations.
 


To save money and for purely a system drive and some programs (no games, other applications whatsoever), the 120GB is more than enough.
 
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Right now i only play LoL, Dota 2 and CS:GO using the onbaord gfx. I dont plan on playing any other AAA titles until i get the GPU. Right now, all i want is to speed up the booting and load times of some apps that i use regularly which is only the utilities for school (ms word, pptx, pdf, browsers etc.) i think it will greatly help productivity wise.
 

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Thanks! Other than the ms office i might also add other apps liek the web browser which i also use regularly and a pdf reader and such or any other files i need for school. Thanks for the help :)
 

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Before I re-installed Windows a year or so ago, the users folder ballooned to over 30GB even though I don't save anything of any importance there thanks to installers and other stuff not cleaning up after themselves over the five or so years I had been running Windows 8.x until then. 120GB may be fine initially, but it can unexpectedly get cramped over time. Some software also likes to install a bunch of stuff on the system drive even when you tell it to use a directory on some other drive or partition.
 

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Yes i know but thats why i will always take care of it and do daily cleanup and stuff maybe. I dont download softwares mostly, i only only download games and apps from legit sources.
 

A SSD is basically a bunch of flash dies operating together as a big RAID 0. The 120GB SSDs typically have half the number of flash dies as the 240GB SSDs. Read operations are fast enough that they're not as affected as much, but write operations are significantly impacted. A 120GB SSD's 4k and 512k random write speeds are almost half that of a 240 GB SSD.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung-ssd-850-evo-review/8

For this reason, I highly recommend paying the extra $30-$40 for a 240 GB SSD. The extra space is just gravy.

It may seem like a lot to pay for "only" an extra 100-150 MB/s. But you have to understand that your perception of a SSD's speed is the inverse of MB/s. MB/s is how much data can the drive transfer in 1 sec. But you perceive speed in terms of how much time it takes for the drive to transfer x MB. Consequently, speed improvements at the lower MB/s ranges matter a lot more than at the higher MB/s.

e.g. Say you need to write 1 GB.

170 MB/s (120GB EVO 850) = 5.9 sec
320 MB/s (250GB EVO 850) = 3.1 sec, a 2.8 sec improvement
470 MB/s (+150 MB/s) = 2.1 sec, a 1 sec improvement, 36% of the first bump
620 MB/s (+150 MB/s) = 1.6 sec, a 0.5 sec improvement, 18% of the first bump
770 MB/s (+150 MB/s) = 1.3 sec, a 0.3 sec improvement, 11% of the first bump

As MB/s gets higher, each +150 MB/s results in a smaller time savings. So it's the first +150 MB/s, the one you get moving from a 120GB SSD to a 250GB SSD, that is the most important.
 

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I tend to agree. A 120gb is enough for Windows and a few office programs/web browsers/etc, but I wouldn't go sticking any games on there or you'll run out of space right quick.

My old Windows install with a few programs like that ended up taking 80-90gb of my 120gb drive (which is only 111gb after formatting). I cleaned it up and reinstalled Windows and those programs and it hovered around 60gb the past 6 months. Putting a game in that excess space is NOT a good idea.
 

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I dont plan on putting any games there anyway :) thats why i have and HDD haahha
 

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Sounds like you will be fine then.
 
Not too many people here are addressing which upgrade to do first, so I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents. If you will be doing any gaming on this, I highly recommend getting the GPU first. An SSD is great, but the performance boost you'll see with a dedicated GPU is much better than what you'll see with a solid state. The SSD will offer you better load times all around, from Windows boot to games, but will not offer any more fps, or better graphics settings than what you currently get. (With the exception of perhaps a few large open world games, where you may get less stutters during rendering).

A dedicated GPU on the other hand, will also decrease some of your load times, since it will be taking some of the load off your processor which was previously running all the graphical interfaces. BUT, it will also vastly improve the performance of your games. Obviously this part will be relative, and the performance boost will vary depending on what GPU you choose, but I think overall, you will see more of a performance boost with a dedicate GPU over an SSD.
 

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Thanks for this :) i'm really comsidering the gpu first :) as that is much more expensive and harder to save up for lol