Ryzen 7 and GTX1070 build - 1000£ budget

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Hello everyone. I am helping my friend build his first self-made PC which he will use mostly for gaming.

His criteria:
1) 1000£ budget including OS (screen already owned)
2) does not care for appearance, only performance and ease of build (mainly for the case)
3) mostly for gaming (civilisation 6, FPS and RTS with some indie games)
4) is interested in upgrad-ability (including 2 GPU later) for future 1440p or perhaps 4K gaming.
5) not particularly interested in overclocking

We are set for an build around the R7 1700 CPU and GTX 1070 GPU.

my questions:
A) Can we fit these two parts in a 1000£ build?
B) Could we get some help in parts choice?

Update: Friend also has nostalgia issues and can only play his dear command and conquer generals on windows XP (is that right? are some older games not supported on windows 10?). I am wondering if more recent parts like the one I have listed, would suffer from older operating system or even run on them (concerned about ryzen on XP). what about partitioning a part of the hard drive for the occasioanl XP gaming session?


Thank you for all the help, suggestions always welcomed.
 
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Isokolon

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As pricing stands this is impossible
Dropping multi-GPU support, I still end up with:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor (£304.90 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£85.84 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£99.45 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Corsair Force LE 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£71.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£40.20 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card (£360.49 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case (£55.56 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Super Flower Golden Green HX 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (£69.31 @ Aria PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£87.78 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1175.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-13 12:57 GMT+0000

Going for a Rx480 or a GTX 1060 can get the price down to around 1000£
 
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guanyu210379

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I would wait a bit and see how things go for Ryzen.
Ryzen is weak compared to e.g. Intel i7 7700k but Microsoft said that there is something that Microsoft need to patch in Windows 10 to support Ryzen work properly.
Let see how Ryzen will perform after Microsoft delivered the patch.
Before thar, just wait patiently or go for I7.
 
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Dragos Manea

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I already have ryzen and i tell you that i m very happy with it, i bought it mainly because i work on matlab with huge images (15-20 GB images) and need to apply various algorithms on them but i can say it is great for gaming also. With vulkan and DX 12 rising it will take more and more advantage of the extra cores.
 
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sadams04

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"Budget build" with a high-end CPU and GPU don't typically go together. If you really want the GTX 1070, then wait for the Ryzen R5 to come out and pair it with the large GPU. Otherwise my recommendation would be pretty much like Isokolon's build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor (£304.90 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£81.58 @ Eclipse Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£113.39 @ Aria PC)
Storage: SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£73.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£40.20 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card (£360.49 @ CCL Computers)
Case: BitFenix Neos Black/Silver ATX Mid Tower Case (£30.98 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£47.91 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£87.78 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1141.20

Also, Windows XP is no longer supported so no more closing of security vulnerabilities. Best to stop using it and look toward a newer OS.
 
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FD2Raptor

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And the absolute minimal cost to get Ryzen+SLIready:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor (£304.90 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (£153.47 @ BT Shop)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£63.18 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£40.20 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card (£360.49 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox 5 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£49.92 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: Rosewill 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£73.99 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Windows 10 Home USB 32-bit/64-bit English International (£80.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1126.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-13 13:21 GMT+0000

That's excluding a SSD and with just 8GB RAM. PCPP pricing list is just off by some spare cents.
 
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That looks like a promising start to be honest, he does already have a pre-built PC that I have not seen yet but we could possibly salvage some hard drives and/or RMA from there as to create some flexibility when it comes to buying other parts. thanks for the list.
 
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That was also something I considered. getting 1 RX480 now to stay under the 1000£ and getting the other RX480 later.
 
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I totally get what you mean with the budget-high end build being a strange choice of words. We know how well the Ryzen 7 series is doing on a lot of applications and regardless of intel Vs AMD debate, its still a great processor for gaming (at least at 1080p which is what he has now) and may become even better in the near-mid future with drivers and optimisation.

I guess the Ryzen 7 requirement is to be future proof with 8core/16thread processor, and avoid buying a higher IPC i5 or i7 which have less cores. Similarly, the GTX 1070 its great now + easy to SLI later for boost performance. That being said an RX480 could do for 1080p now and then go to 2RX480 for 1440p later while still being on a budget today.

update: I guess I am also trying to prove the point that building rather than buying gives you more value for your money and I may be trying a little too hard to fit "all the best" in a budget build...
 
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Do you mean you would avoid Crossfire in favor of SLI (maybe because it works/scales better) or taht you would avoid dual GPU setups altogether?

Just to keep in mind, our objective is to get a 1080p capable system now that would upgrade to 1440p or even 4K if possible. We don't want to build a new PC in a year or less when he has the cash to buy a better monitor and second GPU.
 
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You know, you can buy a 1080p capable system now, and just replace the GPU to with one that is 1440p/4K capable later (and avoid all the trouble of waiting for SLI/CFX support for the titles that you want to play). Like say:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor (£304.90 @ Alza)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£81.58 @ Eclipse Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£106.80 @ Aria PC)
Storage: SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£73.97 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card (£236.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox 5 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£49.92 @ More Computers)
Other: Windows 10 Home 32-bit/64-bit English International (£75.70)
Other: Corsair CP-9020102-UK CX Series CX550M ATX/EPS Semi-Modular 81 Plus Bronze 550 W Power Supply Unit (£60.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £990.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-13 14:06 GMT+0000

P.S: this list is just an excuse to say that you can actually go to Amazon.co.uk and see that W10 on USB, dispatch and sold by Amazon is £75.74 and the Corsair CXM-UK is also £60.94 (unlike the -NA version on PCPP). I feel like I keep having to repeat this in every non US thread, but PCPP listing is a starting point, not the be-all-end-all of parts and products.
 
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@Dragos Manea
I'm looking to buy a new workstation (on a budget) to handle processing and also apply various algorithms on huge image files in Matlab. It's been hard to get any info on matlab performance of cpus. Can you say anything more of your experience with the Ryzen 7 chip (1800x?) What is the setup you'd recommend? Thanks in advance!
 
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Matlab? I am using Matlab since l along time. I am now on 2013a.
Matlab prefers faster threads over more threads.
The fastest threaders are the best choice for Matlab, something like OCed i5/i7 with -k.
Ryzen has more threads but a bit slower (for now), as said, I dunno how Ryzen will perform after Microsoft patched Win10..
and..if you have other things open in paralel like Dspace softwares, Version manager tools, requirement manager tools, etc. make sure you have plenty of RAM...and I mean...plenty! 16GB is perhaps not enough.
Also make sure you have an SSD if you use Matlab to generate software which involves thousands of signals in the databank. HDD will slow you down...big time! My software generation time without SSD == 1 hour, with SSD == 20 mins.
 
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Dragos Manea

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Yes for common use but in every algorithm i use i optimise for multithreading (using parpool, sometimes specific task allocated to specific worker) and i cut my processing time in half compared to an i7 6700k(which i had until now)

EDIT: What i can say is that matlab likes high speed memory too, but it is not a big difference between 2133 and 2800 mhz.
 
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When i apply my algorithms on a 20GB 8 bit image converted to 32 bit floating point (final size around 70-90GB) on a i7 6700k which i had before it took around 2 hours-2.5 hours, now with the ryzen it is under an hours 40-55 minutes so it is great great great value for me especially that i payed on it how much i would pay for an i7 and the motehrboard is the same price a top z270 board so i gained a lot more performance for the same money.
 
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