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ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

Here is my current setup-

Operating system: Windows 10
System Manufacturer: MSI
System Model: MS-7693
Processor: AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor (6 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM

I want to buy a new processor since mine is getting outdated. Will the 8350 run well with my Mother board? I can't afford a Ryzen or else i would buy one( i was told they are the best that AMD makes).
Another question. Later on, i would like to buy a 1060 or a 1070, it just depends on what the wife lets me buy, But i was told that the 8350 will bottleneck the GPU. Is this true? Will my Mother board bottleneck the CPU or GPU? (i don't know that much about components).

I got into the open Beta for player unkowns Battlegrounds back in January i believe, that game does not run good at all on my setup. I know it is not optimized and it's in beta, but the minimum requirements state that you should have at least an fx 6300. I also play Battlefield 1 and have to run it on low-medium settings. I would like to lean more towards the med to high to very high settings if possible. Will these changes reach that?

GamingEnthusiast420 · Mar 14, 2017

FX series chips have old architecture, but they can still keep up power wise. A bottleneck wouldn't occur with either cards, although getting an intel chip would be ideal. And I'm pretty sure motherboards can't bottleneck, just make sure they're compatible.

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

I want to upgrade to Intel, but i would have to get new DDR4 RAM, new mother board, and then the processor. Not to mention if i wanted to upgrade my GPU. Thats around $800. I don't have that sadly. So, my only option is to just upgrade my CPU.

the nerd 389 · Mar 14, 2017

The CPU will be a horrible bottleneck with anything but low end GPUs. The motherboard doesn't really factor into performance, as it's role is basically to provide the infrastructure other parts need in order to operate. It doesn't actually do any of the real work.

[strike]You'd be better off with something like a Core i3 or i5. That said, the 8350 should work with that board.[/strike] This was stated above as I was writing

For that specific game, though, your money is better spent on a 1050 Ti, assuming you have a PSU with enough juice.

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

the nerd 389 :

That was just a couple of examples of games. I play a wide variety of games. Well dang, i might just have to slowly save money until i have enough to buy intel components. My psu is 600W by the way

Geekwad · Mar 14, 2017

This may give you somewhat of an idea of what to expect of a 8-core FX chip if you go that route:

http://wccftech.com/fx-8370-i5-6400-gaming-comparison/

But you could also look at a Haswell i5 with board to preserve your RAM:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $237.57

The Haswell vs. Kaby Lake i5 difference, performance-wise, is not significant.

the nerd 389 · Mar 14, 2017

ScootenNewton :

The PSU can handle the 1050 Ti without issue (assuming it has a power cable for a gpu). In the short term, that will get you the most bang for your buck.

If you're going to end up getting all of those upgrades, you're talking about almost an entire computer. At that point, it really would be better to start from scratch.

genthug · Mar 14, 2017

Save money until later on in the year around Q2-Q3 when Ryzen R3 and R5 are launched. You will still need to buy onto an entirely new platform however they are slotted to be much much cheaper than their Intel counterparts, although likely at a slightly lower performance if the initial R7 benchmarks are taken into account.

Math Geek · Mar 14, 2017

a 4460 would not be a bad way to go. as you can see not that expensive and let's you reuse the rest of the system. and it is a very noticeable upgrade over an 8350.

i hate the word "bottleneck". it gets thrown around so much it's lost all meaning. you will not get the same performance out of an 8350 as you will with an i5/7 cpu, but this does not mean it won't work at all. check out the new review tom's did on ryzen v i7 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-vs-intel-kaby-lake-gaming,4977.html

as you can see the 8350 is included and loses at all times. but ignore that and look at the fps it did get. keep in mind this is with a 1080. you'll get less out of a 1060/70 of course. but if these numbers are good enough for you, then that's all that matters. we can't all drive Bugati Veyron's. someone's got to buy a used Porche every now and then. people act like the fx chip won't even load the game but that's just stupid talk. just know what you're getting when you buy it. if agreeable, then go for it.

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

the nerd 389 :

ScootenNewton :

The PSU can handle the 1050 Ti without issue (assuming it has a power cable for a gpu). In the short term, that will get you the most bang for your buck.

If you're going to end up getting all of those upgrades, you're talking about almost an entire computer. At that point, it really would be better to start from scratch.

I've thought of an entire build, but money is an issue

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

Math Geek :

a 4460 would not be a bad way to go. as you can see not that expensive and let's you reuse the rest of the system. and it is a very noticeable upgrade over an 8350.

i hate the word "bottleneck". it gets thrown around so much it's lost all meaning. you will not get the same performance out of an 8350 as you will with an i5/7 cpu, but this does not mean it won't work at all. check out the new review tom's did on ryzen v i7 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-vs-intel-kaby-lake-gaming,4977.html

as you can see the 8350 is included and loses at all times. but ignore that and look at the fps it did get. keep in mind this is with a 1080. you'll get less out of a 1060/70 of course. but if these numbers are good enough for you, then that's all that matters. we can't all drive Bugati Veyron's. someone's got to buy a used Porche every now and then. people act like the fx chip won't even load the game but that's just stupid talk. just know what you're getting when you buy it. if agreeable, then go for it. [/qu
Well put, and very good article. I ALSO thought about saving money for a Ryzen. But that means i would also have to get a new mobo. Which i'm not totally against, but again, money IS an issue. I'm only allotted soo much. Thank you for your input. It really helps!

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

Math Geek :

I dont know how my last reply to you messed up. Well put, and very good article. I ALSO thought about saving money for a Ryzen. But that means i would also have to get a new mobo. Which i'm not totally against, but again, money IS an issue. I'm only allotted soo much. Thank you for your input. It really helps!

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

genthug :

The father in law actually brought this up to me before this thread. Thanks man!

Math Geek · Mar 14, 2017

ScootenNewton :

i try to be the objective voice in the crowd

just got to keep it all in perspective and all will be well. but really ~$130 for a new 8350 is not bad. may even find one used for less. could be a decent stop gap for now while you save for that new system. leave the rest as is and then when the rest of the cash is there, jump on that new cpu/mobo/ram upgrade.

come back then with a budget and we can offer lots of help there. we know the ins and outs and what is worth it and not worth it. can focus on getting the best bang for the buck you can get for your money.

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

Math Geek :

Thanks man. Last question. Say that i buy the 8350 for now to hold me off, then later on when i come up with some money i can decide what i want to do. Would you start fresh and build an intel rig, or stay with AMD? Keep in mind that i don't need that Bugatti. I'm fine with that used Porsche. I just want to make sure that the miles, interior and exterior aren't jacked up, meaning, i still want to be able to run any new game on decent settings.

Oh no!!! I would have to buy windows again if i bought a new CPU right? they just started doing that?

ScootenNewton · Mar 14, 2017

Geekwad :

I could do that to keep my RAM. Why didn't i think of that?

Math Geek · Mar 15, 2017

ScootenNewton :

what to do in the future is unknown at this point. we can see what the 8 core Ryzen 7 cpu's can do but won't know about the cheaper 3 and 5 models until they come out months from now. at the time you're ready to buy is the time to ask that question. we'll have the most up to date info possible on what is available then. save as much as you can and when the time comes we can point you in the right direction for your budget and goals

if ipc stays consistant, then the ryzen 3 and 5 will be on par with Haswell from intel. so the i5-4460 suggested above would be similar to a Ryzen 3 or 5. but that's just an educated guess. with cores disabled and other changes it might get better speeds than the top end models, but may not. too many variables to know for sure how the architecture is gonna scale at this time.

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