Can't overclock intel core 2 duo E8500 3.16GHZ while it's already unlocked; help ASAP

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Hey guys,
To be completely honest am living the worst days here from few months trying to overclock my core 2 duo E8500 3.16 GHZ and the cpu is already unlocked!! I even bought water cooling for it so I won't suffer from overheating problems, but the real problem is; in overclocking it, it doesn's seems easy as it looks in bios at all.. When I enter the M.I.T in bios to overclock my cpu up to 4.0 GHZ, I then go to vcore selections and raise the voltages up to 1.3 BUT WHEN I CHOOSE THE RIGHT VOLTAGE EVERY TIME AND THEN SAVES AND EXIT THE PC FAILS TO BOOT (keep restarting with black screen for like 4-5 times and when I enter M.I.T in bios again I recieve red alert saying system suffered boot failures due to higher system voltages or overclocking) this problem has been killing me since I signed up here (April 14,2016) and still.. Can anyone help me please?!!!!
why when I watched videos on youtube about people ocing same cpu they didn't recieve any problems? why me? It's like the motherboard won't allow more than 1.2 V going to the cpu, How is that possible while I already have M.I.T in my bios and the cpu is already unlocked? or do i have to change some selections about the ram? bec. I once heared if i want to oc a core 2 duo cpu i have to oc the ram too but when I do that i keep recieving boot failures then system goes back to default, I once installed gigabyte easy tuner 6 and when i tried the pc freezed and had to restart it.. Can anyone help by saying what do i have to do more? pls don't tell me I just bought that cooler and wasted my money on it for no good
specs:
gigabyte G41MT-S2P ultra durable 2 motherboard (That's what it says on the box)
Intel core 2 duo E8500 3.16 GHZ 6MB cache
6GB ram kingston dual DDR3 channel (4GB + 2GB) (stock not hyperx)
cooler master seidon 120V plus (2 fans) (cooler master xtraflow 120mm black and cooler master jetflo 120mm blue) (the two work as intakes)
cooler master N200 pc case
cooler master Elite 500 ver.2 power supply
Gigabyte gtx 750 ti windforce edition 2x fans
BenQ G900W 19-inch LCD display
Thanks <3
 
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So far it seem to have been looking good up to 344FSB. Interesting.

At this point, go back to your settings for 343x9.5. Keep the System Memory voltage at 1.5V, this should be more than enough. Before tinkering with the ram timings, it would be best if you run Memtest with the cpu set to 343x9.5. It is too abrupt that it fails to boot simply by increasing the FSB by 1. I have a feeling there might be something going on with the ram, which is why running Memtest should help out at this point.

If it does return errors, we could try manually inputting the ram timings and even try loosening them, to see if that helps. There is also the possibility that one of the sticks of ram is bad, even at all stock settings. But for now, just run...
First, make sure the Intel EIST is disabled as well as C2/C2E Support.

You also want to turn the PCI Express Frequency off of Auto and to 100 for starters. You don't want to OC the PCIe Bridge.

It doesn't help that you are mixing RAM modules, but when you OC, make sure to change the "System Memory Multiplier" to whatever maintains the stock speed of the RAM. If you want to OC the RAM, do it after you get the CPU stable, then if you want to OC both further, you will at least know what the stable OC is with RAM at stock.

For now, set the voltage to 1.24v, if not there leave at 1.2....for now.

These are things I had to do to get a stable OC of a Q8400 up to a 3.2ghz. However on a different motherboard.
 

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1: the EIST and c2e support are closed the first moment i installed it
2: i never oc the ram
3: same problem when i set voltage to 1.2 to oc the cpu

 
When you change the CPU multiplier the RAM sometimes OC's automatically. That's why I mention it.

Did you change the PCIe setting?

Maybe try backing down the OC from 4ghz, maybe to about 3.4 or 3.6 and work up from there. Have to remember that not all CPUs are equal and it's possible your CPU can't get to 4ghz. That or the motherboard isn't capable, I've seen a couple threads on other sites stating that this board isn't very good for OCing.
 

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1: u are saying to back down from 4ghz while the REAL PROBLEM IS I CANT RAISE the freq. From 3.16ghz, i tried when the PCIE was set for auto and same prob. Then I raised it upto 95 and same.. the problem is not in the freq. It's about when i set the cpu vcore to 1.3 or higher it's like the voltage wont be set on 1.3, and in the M.I.T features it says i can raise the freq. To 4ghz and even more
(About the down vote, I didn't mean to do it martell, it was a mistake)
 
So we are on the same page...stock is 3.16, you want to OC to 4ghz and 1.3v because you saw somewhere online that those settings are where it can easily be, or because the motherboard has the settings available.

What I am suggesting is to try smaller overclocks with less voltage to see where you can get it...with PCIe set to 100mhz, not auto. IMO, either the CPU, motherboard or another setting is not capable if running the CPU at 4ghz and/or 1.3v. Just because some people or even many people were able to use those settings does not mean you will too. That's why it's referred to as the silicon lottery. I'm thinking that the motherboard, even though it offers the voltage setting, likely is the weak link here. But you may be able to a decent OC with what you have.

TLDR; Start with a smaller OC and work your way up, instead of just going straight for 4ghz. The problem isn't necessarily that the 1.3v isn't staying, it's that the settings are not compatible with your hardware so it resets to a working configuration that lets you back into the BIOS.
 
I am not sure about your RAM, you will have to give us the specifications, speed and timings [latency] - or at least a part number. RAM type has an impact on overclocking.
Your motherboard is not the best for overclocking. And, your power supply is not one I would pick for overclocking.

You have several problems with your current computer build for overclocking and any one of which can cause you not to reach 4GHz, even if your CPU is good enough to reach it, which I do not know if it will.

I have a Gigabyte P35-DS3R and it has at least 11 mosfits, and yours has only 6 - total. I also have an Intel E8600 that overclocked to 4 GHz without breaking a sweat. I have an aftermarket cooler, however, I cannot remember which one it is, too many years have past and my memory is not that good.

I still have the computer, however I put an Intel Extreme $1,000 CPU in it after the price dropped to about $260 dollars. My E8600 is now in the original Intel retail box, fan and all, sitting on a shelf. I never used the stock Intel fan because I overclocked the E8600 from day one.

There are a few tricks to overclocking, however, there are no guarantees, as Martell1977 said. Try taking out one stick [leaving one stick] of RAM and unhook anything not needed to run the computer to ease power requirements on the power supply and motherboard circuitry. Run the CPU at stock speed and lower RAM voltage a little at a time until it becomes slightly unstable then increase the RAM voltage .01 volt to regain stability. - RAM voltage affects overclocking because of the extra load on the circuitry on the motherboard, which yours is very susceptible to stress.

With the above in mind, increase the CPU voltage [Vcore] to 1.365 [or as close to that as you can get]. Next, begin to overclock 100MHz at a time, for example 3.16 to 3.26 [or the closest you can get to it], then continue to up the CPU frequency 100 MHz at a time until it is unstable. Keep an eye on temperatures with HWiNFO I list below.

For a fast stability check download and install CPUID CPU-Z and HWiNFO64 [or 32 if your operating system is 32 bit]. After getting to the windows screen open both programs. Keep bumping up the CPU frequency and every time enter Windows and try to open those 2 programs. Once you enter Windows but cannot open those programs, reboot and enter BIOS and reduce the Vcore .015 volts and stress test it.

Before stressing your CPU open - and keep open, CPUID CPU-Z If you do not have a good stress program you can download Sisoftware Sandra Lite [free version] and run the Arithmetic burn-in, do this by running the program, click on the Tools tab at the top, in the drop down list select Burn-In. At the bottom you will see a purple arrow pointing to the right, clicking this will take you through several pages. De-select everything but the first option, Processor Arithmetic. Next, select run 3 times. Next set Minimum Utilization to 100%. Next, set Board Temperature to 85, CPU Temp to 95 and CPU 2/Aux Temperature to 95. Keep clicking the [right pointing] purple arrow, click save file on disk, next select Text Format (.txt) to save a report, Next page give your burn-in a name. Now, at the bottom you will see a purple checkmark, click on it to start the test. You will not have control of your computer because the CPU will be fully used by Sisoftware Sandra.

If your computer passes the burn-in tests enter BIOS and begin reducing the CPU Vcore .005 volts at a time, entering Windows each time and try to open CPUID CPU-Z and HWiNFO. Keep lowing the Vcore until you can enter Windows and cannot open CPUID CPU-Z and HWiNFO, then enter BIOS and increase Vcore .015 volts and run SiSoftware Sandra Burn-in again [it will remember your previous settins, though you may need to click on the right facing purple arrow at the bottom to get through all pages.

Keep HWiNFO open while benchmarking so you can keep an eye on CPU temperatures.

If you fail the Burn-Ins, reduce the CPU Vcore a little or increase RAM voltage a little at a time until you are stable. Once stable put the rest of the RAM in the motherboard and check for stability again, increase RAM or CPU Vcore a little until your overclock is stable.

Post here what you find out.
 

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Hey Martell and danra,
Thanks really for helping me out here, I really appreciate it.. I tried to do what u said but the problem is my motherboard won't allow me to Inc. CPU core more than 1.23750v which is stock voltage and when I tried to inc. the ram voltage more than stock voltage by slightly more, I received same problem, However someone told me my motherboard has few of features and when I searched for another motherboard, I found this
Asus P5G41T-M LX
Link: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5G41TM_LX/
In this motherboard it says it has an Asus turbo key, so does that means it can handle my E8500 CPU?
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Danra can use still follow this thread so I can post results??
Again really appreciate what you did guys.
 
If you want decent overclocking, you will want to look for a board with Intel's X48 or P45 chipset. Just make sure the board supports DDR3 as well.

The ASUS you listed seems to be regarded as a limited overclocking board and doesn't have much in voltage control.
 
Martell1977 is giving you some good advice. One of your problems may be, I am not sure, that you are not visualizing some of what we say, especially the long post I made.

In my previous post I forgot to tell you, after finding the fastest stable CPU overclock, begin slowly lowering the RAM voltage until the computer becomes unstable, then increase RAM voltage .010 volts and run another test, this time for the CPU and RAM, both can be done with SiSoftware Sandra.

Here are a couple of videos. The first person has music turned up too loud and is distracting. The second video is using an Intel motherboard, however, the "expert" gives some good, though nebulous suggestions because he does not get specific, such as a great power supply or RAM to use for overclocking, however, it may provide a little help in your thought process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID5jrxAV9SU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlhlUHIOMTM
 
It depends on how much you want to spend and if you mind waiting for shipping. There are some options on eBay, but most are international and cost around $80. http://www.ebay.com/sch/Motherboards/1244/i.html?_sop=15&_nkw=p45%20motherboard&_dcat=1244&Socket%2520Type=LGA%2520775%252FSocket%2520T&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

Just chekc the list to make sure it says DDR3 and you can reuse your RAM. there are more options should you want to change to DDR2, but there is a performance difference that may be noticeable as DDR2 is much slower.
 

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This might be a little late in the game to be asking but what multiplier and FSB did you use to get 4.0GHz in your initial scenario? Achieving a 4.0GHz overclock at 667x6 would not be the same as one achieved at 421x9.5. The multiplier will only affect the CPU frequency, but the FSB will affect everything else, including your ram. If it was something crazy like 667 FSB @ 6x multiplier, it would make sense that it won't boot.

First off, I would recommend "under-clocking" the ram such that is close to a 1:1 ratio for FSB : DRAM, that way you don't overclock the ram unintentionally outside of manufacturer specs as you increase the FSB frequency. You can do this by adjusting the multiplier and making sure that the resulting frequency is not outside of the labeled specs on the ram.

Second, as Martell1977 and Danra have said previously, try to do incremental increases to your overclock, instead of a huge leap from 3.16GHz to a sudden 4.0GHz. It would help isolate certain issues and problems that might be causing your instabilities.

I break my stability tests down to two parts; one is to test for instability due to CPU the other is for NB and ram. I would usually run prime95 in smallFFTs with CPUz, speedfan, and coretemp opened up to check for the utilization, temps, and voltage changes. Any sort of error or BSOD usually points to insufficient Vcore. Errors in Memtest would tell me that I need to do something about NB strap, NB voltage, ram voltage, or ram timings. Of course, I usually don't mess with ram timings and voltages, so that only leaves me with NB strap and voltage to deal with.

Also, I wouldn't recommend going out of your way to buy a new motherboard either, much less to be willing to pay 80$ for a second hand one off Ebay. The E8500s have been known to work great at low voltages, many have had them running at 4.0GHz at close to or a little over 1.20V. The E8500 build I have is currently running at 3.6GHz @ 1.216V and I think THAT is already too much voltage. This was also done on an old GA-G31M-ES2L MB that I found for less than 10$ on Cragslist :langue:
 

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Well, I tried to do what u, Danra and Martell said by inc. the cpu freq. by little increaments and i successfully reached 3.26 GHZ at 1.268v and I didnt touch the ram settings bec. i dont know how to oc a ram so i kept the ram settings on auto running at 1.5v but when i try to inc. the cpu freq. more that 3.26 even up to 3.27 the pc fails to boot However I can inc. the cpu voltage successfully but the freq. won't go up more than 3.26, I think it's bec. the ram must be oced too but I dont know where am gonna start from the ram.....
Another problem When i successfully managed to reach 3.26GHZ at 1.268v I stressed the cpu by cpu-z and didn't receive any BSOD or failures so i stopped the stressing after 30mins then opened Need For Speed Rivals but the fps went to loooow from 12-21 and keeps going down and sometimes the game freezes so I had to downclock the cpu to stock settings..
The question is how my fps is low when i oc an E8500 cpu? in fact the fps must be much higher, anyone knows what is the problem in the fps dec. after ocing? and the windows is set on performance mode which i set in the power options in the control panel. and the easy energy saver technologist in the board which reduces cpu freq. and voltage by itself is off since I firstly installed the cpu.
and about the temps. I am running with cooler master seidon 120V plus with 2 fans running at full speed and my temps were 43-45 in core#0 in core temp app and keeps going down to 40 degrees Celsius and 23-30 in core#1 while the motherboard temp was from 30-32 degrees Celsius.
link: http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-liquid-cooler/seidon-120v-plus/
 

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First, it is absolutely possible to overclock just the cpu alone and even under-clock the ram.

Second, easy energy saver technology only kicks in if you have installed and run Gigabyte's Easy Energy Saver software.

Third, you do not need to increase Vcore unless prime95 shows you errors or BSOD. If you are taking small steps in overclocking, you will first encounter errors in prime95 and a single core running at 0% instead of 100% when your cpu begins to not get enough voltage. Beyond this point, your pc will flat out BSOD within the first 30mins of stress testing.

It was a good idea to not fiddle with ram settings, but you DO NEED to adjust the memory multiplier. Assuming your ram is fairly standard, you will want to keep the memory frequency at, or below, 1333MHz. Tweak your memory multiplier to match that, and you should be fine most of the time for ram. Though in rare occasions, some overclocks have been found to be more stable when the ram is under-clocked.

Now, you will need to run Memtest to determine if there are any issues with the memory or Northbridge. Download Memtest and make a bootable USB flash drive to run it. A single pass on Memtest should be enough to tell you if you have any issues or errors. If your ram is running at or below 1333MHz like I mentioned but Memtest discovers errors, it is possible that you need to up the Northbridge voltage by one increment. Though that is fairly unlikely, as I have only ever need to do so after the FSB is at least above 400 on a E8500.

An overclocked cpu should not show any loss in performance, unless it is unstable and riddled with errors.

Just for reference, my E8500 is overclocked to 3.7GHz (9.5x multiplier & 390 FSB), Vcore set to 1.250V (with the voltage dropping to 1.200V at max load due to Vdroop), DDR2 running at 2.0V and 936MHz (a 2.4x multiplier), NB voltage set to "normal". This was all done on my aforementioned cheapo motherboard.

It would also be easier for us to help if you can provide a bit more detailed information about the exact settings you have set in your bios, such as the cpu multiplier, fsb frequency, memory multiplier, memory frequency, & whatever else you might have changed from default settings.
 
Take the RAM OFF AUTO. Set it manually to whatever the setting is that keeps in at stock speeds. I would also remove the 2gb module to make sure that the issue isn't linked to RAM module compatibility.

Temps look very, very good, so no worries there. When stress testing with a program like Prime 95, I suggest running it for more than a hour. I ran it for almost 5 hours on my system and found a error. I backed it down from 3.6ghz to 3.5 and it was good for all 5 hours.

Did you take the PCIe off auto as well? You don't want to OC the PCIe bus and it will automatically increase as you OC the CPU. Same for the RAM.
 

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well, I set the pci-e freq. to 100 MHZ from the first place, and hopefully i will record a small video in my bios settings so u guys can tell me what to do in the ram settings bec. I can't understand anything about it in the bios, am scared to ruin it or the system so am gonna leave the ram settings for u guys after i upload the video then am gonna send u a pm here to follow it
about the ram module both are DDR3 kingston but am gonna try to remove the 2gb module after u tell me what to do in the ram settings and thanks again i really appreciate what u guys doing, I never found help since I have joined to be honest :D

 

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Hey LowlySkeleton,
am gonna do what u told me hopefully i will record a small video in my bios about my ram settings bec. i can't understand anything about it in the bios so am scared to ruin it or the system then am gonna send u a pm here to follow it and tell me what to do.
about the NB voltage I can't find any option in the bios about the NB voltage, all i can found is cpu vcore , cpu termination and ram voltage and my board is gigabyte G41MT-S2P, bios model is: Award modular Bios v6.00PG but am gonna upload the video
since u said an oc cpu doesn't show any loss of performance unless it is fulled with errors so am gonna downclock it to stock but when I did that the game still freezes and suffering from very low fps and my graphics card runs need for speed rivals sooo smoothly,
thanks again :D
 

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guys i have uploaded a video about my bios settings in M.I.T about cpu and ram settings hoping u tell me what to do (REALLY SORRY about the video i had to record it like pause/resume so It doesn't take much size for u and I uploaded it on mediafire since it's more secure and u can scan the link if u want again)
link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/1gqc551hmediwng/wmplayer+2017-04-14+14-55-47-130.avi
really hope u tell me what i should do
bios model: Award modular bios v6.00PG
board: gigabyte G41MT-S2P
ram: 6GB DDR3 kingston dual channel (4GB+2GB)
In the video u will notice that the cpu is running at 3.26GHZ at 1.268v but i managet to reduce the vcore to 1.23750v and didn't recieve boot errors but i returned everything to stock again so u can tell me what to do
 

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The video, though very shaky, gives us great information. It appears that your motherboard refers to the NB strap as "(G)MCH frequency latch", possibly stands for (Gigabyte) Memory Controller Hub Frequency Latch.

First, I would change the "Fine CPU clock ratio" to 0.0. I usually tend to start overclocking with 9x rather than 9.5x, as I leave that extra 0.5 for last.
Next, set your "(G)MCH frequency latch" to 333, which should be the loosest and most easily stable, and set your "System Memory Multiplier" to 3.20B for now. The video shows that you have set your Vcore to 1.29375V. This is a little bit high to start out. I would maybe at least adjust this to 1.27500V. We can keep the "CPU Termination" at "normal" or we could set it to 1.20V. I won't want to change it to anything higher, as I don't know if this means you are telling to board to do something like load line calibration.

Now, I would usually overclock at increments of 10s at first and then in 5s for the "CPU Host Frequency". I know Martell1977 has mentioned that you would want to run prime95 for an extended periods of time, but I usually leave that AFTER I have completed my overclocking and gotten to where I want to be. Running prime95(small FFTs) for 30mins is my usually way of a quick-&-dirt test to see if I have enough voltage supplied to the CPU in the first place. The reason I also suggest having CPU-z open is to see a rough estimate of the voltages. Due to Vdroop, the displayed CPU voltage will be higher at idle and lower during load. The more you push the CPU to work harder, the lower the CPU voltage will go. At some point, there wouldn't be enough voltage to compensate, and your CPU will start spitting out errors during the test, or possibly even BSOD. The E8500 should be ok usually with just 1.20V at load.

Remember to also run Memtest as well afterwards. Memtest is very important as a stability test. (this is the link to their site: http://www.memtest86.com/). You need something like Rufus to make it into a bootable USB.

Oh and here are a few links to people who have a similar build to yours playing Need for Speed Rivals.
E8400 + GTX 650: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJK7Uelbg_Q
E8500 + GTX 750Ti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeL_jD50Nf4
E8500 + GT 430: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt8C07SHnrk
Your GPU should be fairly decent already. All you need is to maybe finish OC your CPU. E8500 @ 3.7GHz should be at around the level of a non-overclocked i3-2120 with no hyperthreading.
 

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I did what u told me by setting the (G)MCH to 333 and the system memory multiplier to 3.20B and reduced the vcore to 1.23750v and it worked successfully on 343x9.5. however, when i tried to raise the cpu freq. By one increament like 344x9.0 The pc failed to boot and then the BIOS returned to safe mode by setting all to stock then i made the previous settings and tried to raise the eam voltage to 1.6v and pc failed to boot.. i think the ram timings need to be changed? Or what? Hope you can help
 

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So far it seem to have been looking good up to 344FSB. Interesting.

At this point, go back to your settings for 343x9.5. Keep the System Memory voltage at 1.5V, this should be more than enough. Before tinkering with the ram timings, it would be best if you run Memtest with the cpu set to 343x9.5. It is too abrupt that it fails to boot simply by increasing the FSB by 1. I have a feeling there might be something going on with the ram, which is why running Memtest should help out at this point.

If it does return errors, we could try manually inputting the ram timings and even try loosening them, to see if that helps. There is also the possibility that one of the sticks of ram is bad, even at all stock settings. But for now, just run Memtest with the presumably "stable" overclock and tell us what happens. It would also help for comparison to run Memtest again, but with completely default stock settings (ie. no overclocking of anysort) as a control.
 
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Sorry for bumping an old thread, but ive got my E8500 to 4.5Ghz stable with 1.58v and 473Mhz FSB. Using a Gigabyte Ga-EP31-DS3L motherboard. I can provide a pic of my BIOS if you need it. I havent tweaked the settings much for them to be optimised, ive just tried to run it as fast as possible.
 

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well, my problem was turned out to be because of the mother board I have, it only allows me to OC my cpu about 343x9.5
since the G41 not meant for ocing, but thanks anyways.
 

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