Building my Ryzen 1800x build NEED HELP

ZaSpecialist · Mar 25, 2017

Hey huys, recently one of my local stores had an error on the website one night and got an Ryzen 1800x at 20% discount (insane I know!!!) and now I plan to follow up with a new mobo and ram but I did a research for the past 2 days and still can't really decide what to pick.

I was thinking of picking up:

Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 + HyperX Predator Black 16GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16 Dual Channel Kit (as I saw it's supported on the mobo's official RAM compatability manual).

I also have a Cooler CPU Noctua NH-U12S from my olb build and I already ordered a kit to mount it on AM4, I plan to upgrade later to Corsair water cooling H115i but I don't want to waste money on that now.

Does this build seem ok? I have my old Gtx 970 and I don't plan to upgrade it until the end of the year since I am gaiming at 1080p and it still holds pretty good.

Also can you recommend a nice case? I am using my old Thermaltake Armor Evo but I plan to bring in a fresh new look and more quality to the case.

Thanks!

Chugalug_ · Mar 25, 2017

Budget in local currency?
If you're gaming at 1080p buying a 1800X was a seriously poor choice for many reasons.
1. 1080p gaming on Ryzen 7 is very poor atm, heaps of issues with performance.
2. The 16 threads won't be utilized at all.
3. Given you only have a 970, the money would be utilized best elsewhere.
I suggest you return the CPU for a refund or sell new for full price on Amazon or Ebay.
If you have the funds to get a 1080 you'd be much better off.
DO NOT go water cooling on CPUs unless you have a high end video card + SSD, if you don't have either of those and still have a decent air cooler (A good one in your case) the money for the water cooler is better spent on performance, its a flashy thing which isn't necessary at all, and is definitely a luxury.

ZaSpecialist · Mar 25, 2017

Not to be rude sir, but I suggest you do some research before you use current games to determine the future of the CPU.

Here, enjoy this very detailed explanation on how Ryzen will work in the future.

https://youtu.be/ylvdSnEbL50

Returning to my thread, I only need answers to the questions I asked, thanks.

Chugalug_ · Mar 25, 2017

What do you mean by "before you use current games to determine the future of the CPUs."?
You can't possibly base performance off games which haven't released yet if that's what you mean.
The results in the video clearly show all benchmark results and 1080p gaming results of various reviews. The one anomaly is the Rise of the Tomb Raider benchmarks which show that maxed out on ultimate at 1080, the results are the same across the board. However, these are done with a high end GPU, and given you're using a 970, this is not likely to affect you.

I suggest you take into account what I said above if you want the absolute best result you can get, i'm hear to help you not to hinder you, be prepared put aside what you might think because it might not always be correct, that's why forums exist, for people to help each other.
If you want, you can go ahead with your 1800x and H115i, but then you'll be stuck with a value graphics card and a high end CPU with watercooling, 75% of which won't get utilized at all in gaming scenarios. That's not my decision to make, that's up to you.

I just want you to get the best performance you can, but if you don't want to listen to me i'm not going to bother stopping you. There's heaps of people out there who hold very strong opinions about hardware (Especially with some AMD fans for some odd reason), who make silly purchasing mistakes or poorly balanced builds and regret it later, I want to stop you from making a decision like that so you can enjoy your PC to the fullest.
Up to you man.

ZaSpecialist · Mar 25, 2017

I stated I will buy a high end graphics card at the end of the year, since my 970 still holds up at 60 in current titles...why are we debating the gpu subject if it's not why I am here for?

Second, please watch the video, it explains why Ryzen has lower performance than intel now, but games went multithreaded with each year, next gen consoles will have Ryzen chips in them. I own an fx8350 and it performed great and still does a good job especially with newer multithreaded games. I already know how to get the best performance possible, I still need answers to the questions I asked.

Thanks for your opinions though, I will think about them while building this new PC.

PS Watch the damn video where i7 is at 100% cpu load while ryzen is at 50% both platforms offering same FPS in Battlefield 1, a true multithreaded game. It was a good run on 4 cores but tech is advancing, Intel will need to find new ways to bend users over.

Seth L · Mar 25, 2017

ZaSpecialist :

Chugalug_ is correct... Ryzen chips do perform poorly right now compared to what they theoretically can and should do. The technology in these chips is brand new and still have a lot of kinks to work out. He never said it was a bad choice, just that it's not being utilized to its full potential, there's really no sense in being so hostile.

I'm an AMD fanboy, so I'd never recommend Intel unless I absolutely had to(servers, especially.)
I say go for it, Ryzen's a great CPU. However, you are going to see it crapping out every so often because it's not optimized yet.

ZaSpecialist · Mar 25, 2017

I don't mind this, compared to my FX8350 it will be a lot better and will allow me to do more stuff WHILE gaming. However, I still need some answers to my questions posted at the start of the thread meh...I'll just go some place else.

Chugalug_ · Mar 26, 2017

Your question: Does this build seem ok?
My answer: No, see literally all the points I made above.
If you're going to be a conceited ass about it I'm not going to want to help you at all, good luck with your rig, pray you don't end up making the same mistake as the people I told you about earlier.

zqmaa · Mar 26, 2017

If you're planning on gaming to be the priority of your build, I agree with Chugalug. Return it or sell it at full price. Ryzen is just a big unoptimized mess of a CPU with promises that wont meet your expectations. Processors for half the price have almost the same performance. i7 7700k is still the gaming king.

ZaSpecialist · Mar 26, 2017

What a bunch of bs, never seen a more biased website than this. Do your homework because you have absolutely no clue how hardware works, can't believe I picked Tom's Intel to ask a simple question.

I asked if that mobo is alright compatibility wise, not if I should bend hard to Intel and give them hundreds of dollars so I can be behind in tech one year from now. But I get it, people with 7700k need to justify their purchase so they don't feel like they lost to the underdog. Ryzen just released and was built from 0, of course they still optimize it, I don't even have the patience to explain everything to you since you should stop being a lazy f..k and maybe educate yourself before crapping on other's work because it doesn't have an Intel logo on it. Watch the video I posted in early answers, I guarantee it will make you smarter.

Thread closed, I got my answers somewhere else.

Chugalug_ · Mar 26, 2017

*Comes on hardware forum*
*Asks people who know stuff about hardware*
*Recieves a consensus of opinion which points him in another direction*
*Throws tantrum and claims he knows more than everyone despite having 0 solutions and 27 posts in 3 years of having an account*
You're doing the equivalent of asking people how to most effectively light your house on fire, and when they tell you not to do so, saying "I just want an answer to my question, not an alternative option."

" don't even have the patience to explain everything to you since you should stop being a lazy f..k and maybe educate yourself before crapping on other's work because it doesn't have an Intel logo on it."

Nowhere did I show bias towards Intel, I very validly pointed out the lower gaming performance for the price in the Ryzen 7 series, but also stated that if you were not doing any rendering or workstation load, that the 1700X would be put to waste, since 75% of the threads wouldn't be used at all effectively.
I am not biased towards Intel, nor Nvidia, AMD provide some great options such as the RX 480 which is fantastic value in the mid range, and their CPUs which are top notch for rendering.
Hell, 5 minutes ago I made a 1700X build for someone doing streaming, youtube and Unity engine work because it SUITED them.
In your case it does NOT suit you, and now you're throwing temper tantrum and swearing like a 9 year old because it doesn't line up with what you think is correct.
Good luck with your 16 thread CPU you're not going to use.

dirtcollins · Mar 31, 2017

I need help, what is the best memory and motherboard to use for a Ryzen 7 build?

Chugalug_ · Apr 1, 2017

Make your own thread mate.

ZaSpecialist · Apr 4, 2017

Chugalug_ :

I am a streamer, so yet again you failed to assume what I will be using this rig for. Sorry mate but I won't go with your precious Intel now or ever. I went with Aorus Gaming 5 mobo as everybody agreed it's a good mobo and no other community wasted time in lecturing me how they think ryzen is bad and we should all worship Intel. You even tried forcing a new nvidia gpu down my throat when I specified that I don't need a new gpu. Oh well, peace.

Chugalug_ · Apr 4, 2017

Doesn't matter, streaming will only properly utilize at most 4 threads, again, if AMD offered a competitive high end card they would have been an option, but if you want to stick to an RX 480 that's your choice.

Ignorance is bliss.

ZaSpecialist · Apr 4, 2017

2 x RX480 provide same FPS as 1 Titan X in DX12, and it's even cheaper. Oh and btw, Nvidia drivers do not support dx12 as advertised, search the new video from the guy I linked originaly. He provides actual proof and explanation on the matter. Guess Nvidia did it again after those fake gtx 970 specs. If you ask people what gpu to buy, they all say Nvidia. Why? They have no idea but they heard it's the best only because its 4x more expensive. By that logic we should all buy Iphones and bend over to the biggest price on the market.

Chugalug_ · Apr 4, 2017

Ooooooookay buddy, think what you want, nevermind what I said about mindless fanboys before, seems you've already hopped on that bandwagon....
Thanks for giving me a good laugh!

ZaSpecialist · Apr 4, 2017

I would say the same thing if suddenly all my dreams were crushed with actual proof and facts. Meanwhile, proceed to call me a fanboy because I am not bashing AMD's new fantastic CPU or Nvidia monopoly over the sheep users.

Do me a favor and don't comment on other threads, it doesn't make you look any smarter or well informed.

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