Ryzen 1700 vs 1700x vs 1800x and some Ryzen/PC Questions

SniperPenguin

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Here is my build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N8tDXH
I will get Vega once it launches, so disregard the 1080. It is just there because I expect Vega to be at 500$, and no more.
My build is an all black build, and it will be dubbed as the "Black Pearl."
I like the all black look, as it reminds me of the Black Pearl in Pirates of the Caribbean, and I can use RGB lighting to get any color scheme I desire. I will likely add some white for contrast.

So, a few questions. This build is for productive work, as well as gaming. This includes learning how to code, video editing, amateur animating, stop motion, Photoshop, and really anything that I come across that is not gaming.

And please do realize, that while I can spend more money for parts that are good, I'd rather save some money when I can. I am not throwing my cash in the shredder for some 2% performance increase, (depending on how much the cost is, of course).

First question:
Which of the Ryzen line should I get? Or wait for Ryzen 5, if it gets same gaming performance?
I am not going Intel as my PC already has a 4790k and I do not like the way Intel is going with their innovation. I say this because there was hardly an increase in performance with their Kaby Lake architecture. It is also not as future proof as Ryzen, but they are good CPUs nonetheless.

Second question:
I could get the MSI Ryzen motherboard for 180$, or the Asus one for 250$. Is it worth paying 70$ more for the Asus?

Third question:
This is an aesthetic question, but it's something I want to throw in. Would you guys think that the Trident Z from G.Skill would look better in this build than the RAM I have currently selected in this build? I would turn the LEDs off for a true black build, and if I want a black and red or black and white I could always turn the LEDs on. But, it is 40$ more and may not even look good.

 
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If you have a 4790k I don't see much reason to bother with ryzen 5. It will be an expensive sidegrade to go from 4c/8t to 4c/8t where clock speeds and ipc are at a wash. For video encoding the 1700x or 1800x would be worth considering. In c++ compiling the i7 7700k beat out the r7 1800x by several minutes, safe to say that compiling isn't going to greatly benefit from higher core counts. Photoshop performs better on intel quad cores, better on a 4790k than it would an r5.

Not sure about animation or stop motion, I guess it would depend on the program and whether the program was designed to use the cpu or if it can make use of faster gpgpu processing which then makes the gpu the determining factor.

You should probably factor how much...

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i like more msi than asus, but asus has a big reputation for being a quality brand

between those two models, there must be a big reason to justify the price difference, ram slot ammout, pci express slot amount, m.2 slot ammount and
phases of the vrm probably are the reason here

about r5 or r7, it depends on how hard you want to hit the cpu, if your load will be just a couple games and edit one video in adobe, the r5 will be enough for you, if you plan on hit very hard the cpu, start considering 1700x and above

most user will be just fie with the r5 1600 or less

i think it will be fine with a r3 next year

about aestetics, talk about what you like to see, well, you need to look at it, perhaps review videos on youtube, a forum is not the best place to discuss looks of a ram module i think
 

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Hmm, I can't see anything other than the Asus having one more PCI-E 1x slot.

I want to do gaming, and lots. But I also love to do other things. And Ryzen, despite what people say, actually performs within 5% of the Intel with 3200-3600mhz RAM and a good overclock.
Optimizations are coming in, new BIOs, and soon it should be on par.

If the R5 performs the same as the 1800x/1700x in gaming, I'll be fine with the 6 core vs the 8 core.

I've looked at many black builds, and they don't look too great. They seem too washed out, and the black really isn't there. There is too much grey.

These are the only color schemes I'd go for:
Black/white and red
Black/white and blue
Black and green
Possibly black and white. Do you know any builds I could go off of? I'll look on PCPartPicker.

 

atljsf

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yes, everything seems to point that those 6 cores will be what most games will need, especially with bios updates on the mainboards

about colors, black and white with white or blue led lights looks great in my opinion

black and gree, well, it is the razar style, if you like green, ok

red, well, most custom pcs are red, too comon and is not a nice color to watch for long periods of time

white, well, is a dust magnet, all colors have pros and cons
 

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Ryzen 7 1800X at 4.0 GHz, 1.40V for $500, or Ryzen 7 1700 at 3.9 GHz, 1.45V for $330?
(1800X OCs +200MHz better than 1700 at same voltage for $170, 1700X gives +100MHz over 1700 for $70)

Get some DDR4 3600 to reach 3200 on Ryzen, DDR4 3200 for 2933, and DDR4 2933 for 2666. RAM speeds are significant to 3200. 1700X/1800X has slighly better IMC (+266 MHz, 1 bin)

As an avid overclocker (I know you are) you want to reach a nice round number of 4.0 GHz than some 3.85/3.9 GHz, and you want that clock at manageable temperatures (fans not turbine loud) and safe voltages.
If not, 1700 comes with a stock cooler good enough for 3.6 GHz, stock clocks for 1800X at ~1.30V.

With 1.35V-1.45V, 1700 usually clocks to 3.7-3.9 GHz, 1700X 3.8-4.0 GHz and 1800X 3.9 GHz-4.1 GHz. The beautiful round 4.0 GHz occurs at a relatively safe 1.4 V for the 1800X, so you may want to buy the 1800X, but performance wise they are not far away, at most 5-10% from the $329 and $499 Ryzens. Unless you want to support AMD/want the best ryzen then go for it.

I have a 1800X @ 4.0 GHz, 1.40V. Thermals are 35-72°C idle/load on my 360mm rad in a hot tropical afternoon.

Ryzen 7 is most futureproof of all Ryzen CPUs.
8 Core 16 Threads will be more futureproof as games start utilising 6 Cores instead of 4, and you will still have an ample 2 Cores to do your background services (Youtube music, Twitch, Torrent downloads) without any performance impact.

Motherboard choice
The Asus Crosshair VI Hero provides the best OC performance of all, and has guaranteed 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM support on overclocked 1.35V 3600 kits. The MSi one is as good for OCing the CPU, but RAM may only clock to 2933, incurring 1-2% potential performance loss. (I suggest you use this extra money for a better Ryzen 7 CPU bin for better thermals and voltages)
Also note that some cheaper boards, like my Asus Prime X370 Pro, does not have BCLK control. So my FSB stays at 100 MHz, which is okay unless you plan on Phase change/LN2 extreme overclocks of >4.2 GHz.

Aesthetics.
I am not an artist nor a designer, what do I know about aesthetics? My suggestion: Get something that looks okay (no need RGB LEDs) that has a nice design, but remember, you are buying a computer, not an artwork. Spend the LED dollars on a better CPU or even a board. But again, I am not a designer, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, get what pleases your eyes.

Have a nice day. :)
 
If you have a 4790k I don't see much reason to bother with ryzen 5. It will be an expensive sidegrade to go from 4c/8t to 4c/8t where clock speeds and ipc are at a wash. For video encoding the 1700x or 1800x would be worth considering. In c++ compiling the i7 7700k beat out the r7 1800x by several minutes, safe to say that compiling isn't going to greatly benefit from higher core counts. Photoshop performs better on intel quad cores, better on a 4790k than it would an r5.

Not sure about animation or stop motion, I guess it would depend on the program and whether the program was designed to use the cpu or if it can make use of faster gpgpu processing which then makes the gpu the determining factor.

You should probably factor how much of each task you think you'll do, for the most part ryzen's fall a bit behind intel's mainstream i7's for games. About the only thing that would see any significant advantage is video editing. If you'll only be doing video editing 10-15% of the time in relation to photoshop, gaming, compiling etc is it worth it to trade off a bit less performance in those areas? Is it worth it in terms of cost of a new build or because you just really want to build a ryzen pc?

From a feel good standpoint if you're unhappy with intel's business model then ryzen is certainly a choice. Based on actual performance the additional performance gained vs the cost of a new build is questionable and that's considering the 1700/1800, not the r5. The r5 makes no sense at all. I'd say the same if considering skylake from the 4790k, a lot of expense for very little gain.
 
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