Liquid Cooling or not?

morinookuni123 · Apr 5, 2017

Let me start off by saying to all the veterans of the forums that I know this question has been asked a million times before but i can not find many that are similar enough to my situation or PC specs.

My PC specs are:
Gigabyte 970 gaming motherboard SLI
12 GB of RAM (Corsair 8GB + 2 X 2GB) (All running at 1600 with default voltage)
GTX 1060 6GB Gaming X GPU (Factory OC)
Viper II GX PC case
One 120MM fan in back of case (Came with case
Two 120MM fans on front of case (Fans are creating front to back tunnel of air) (one case with case)
EVGA 650 watt PSU
3 TB Seagate HD
2 X 1 TB Seagate HD (NO SSD right now)

this is my first custom build and I am learning as I go. I put in the AMD FX-8350 about 6 months ago and it has been working fine. Temps were always great, 20-30 C while idle and 50-65 C while under load, my definition of "under load" in this case is playing Ghost Recon Wildlands on ultra settings and Rust on max settings. Until recently when i replace my R7 GPU with the 1060 and this increase my temps by 10 degrees so now it will idle at 30-40 and 65-73 under load.

I have done research and people are saying that anything above 70 C is bad for the CPU while others are saying 90C (I would never be brave enough to let my CPU get close to 90C), so i thought about putting a liquid cooling system in. I do not do ANY OC and i don't feel the need for it because I already get 4.2 GHz. My fans do stay on 100% RPM while gaming, even my GPU is maxing out at 100% with the fans.

KyleADunn · Apr 5, 2017

morinookuni123 :

I would imagine that the scenario is that your previous GPU was bottlenecking the FX8350 to some degree (depends on the r7) and now this 1060 reverses that (8350 bottlenecking the 1060). Have you tried Vsyncing in games so it's not generating additional heat that isn't providing performance you're not able to see?

What is your fps like in gaming?

What cooler do you use? Stock or aftermarket?

Your 4.2ghz oc, is that done with OC genie or manually? What's the vcore at if manually?

Eximo · Apr 5, 2017

FX chips have a temperature offset, so 70C is actually their top end limit. 65C was typical for the stock cooler under a heavy load.

Doesn't necessarily have to be liquid cooling, just a better cooler than the stock heatsink. If it is that newer Wraith cooler (but not the really new ones) then it actually isn't that bad for an air cooler.

morinookuni123 · Apr 5, 2017

KyleADunn :

that would make sense that the old GPU was bottlenecking the FX-8350 and now it is reversed I am seeing different things. I have not tried any Vsyncing in the games, I always just doing the "Automatic Optimize" thing with games. I will give that a go and see what happens though and report back.

My FPS in games are pretty good, in Ghost Recon Wildlands I will generally get about 35-60 FPS just running around on the ground, driving, flying stuff like that, it has never gone below 30 FPS until last night when I noticed my temps running high and the frames were dropping to 14 for a split second and then coming back up.

The only cooling I have are the fans in the case and the CPU fan.

The 4.2GHz is straight out of the box, no OC on my part at all. Ive gone in and looked at the voltage and stuff in the bios and it was all set to the defaults it was at previously last night when troubleshooting.

morinookuni123 · Apr 5, 2017

Eximo :

I should have gotten the Wraith cooler but I didn't want to spend the extra $$$ at the time, stupid on my part. I didn't realize 70C is the top end limit for this CPU, makes me want to slap 20 fans in it and takes the sides off.
With 70C being top end limit and 65C being typical stock under heavy load, what kind of variance goes with that? 5 degrees both ways?

Eximo · Apr 5, 2017

As I recall 70C is where the CPU will start throttling itself, which may further explain your issues.

I've not owned one, just going off of what I have seen in the forum.

Grabbing yourself a $35 heatsink might be all you need to do. Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212, Cryorig H7, Deepcool Gammax 400, BeQuiet DarkRock Silent Pro (Something like that, the 30ish dollar one)

morinookuni123 · Apr 6, 2017

Eximo :

The more I research the more I agree with you, I think that some of the problems I am having is coming from it hitting the 70ish mark. What are the differences between the heatsinks you listed versus the stock fan on the CPU? To me they just seem like another CPU fan.

Eximo · Apr 6, 2017

Aside from being physically larger and sporting larger fans their orientation is a little different. More metal means more dissipation, same with more airflow, to a point.

Not on these particularly, but there is also typically finer machining on aftermarket coolers so the contact between the CPU heatspreader and heatsink is better.

morinookuni123 · Apr 6, 2017

Eximo :

That's fair enough, I can understand the logic behind that. I never gave coolers like these a chance because I always assumed they were like any other fan, Ill find one of these and see what happens. If it doesn't work out only $40 or so. Not a huge loss.

morinookuni123 · Apr 8, 2017

So I wanted to come back and give a update to the situation. I did what Eximo suggested and I bought a Hyper Evo 212 and installed it. I got two fans on it, one on each side and now my temps are 25-30C idle and 50-60C under load. I played 4 hours of RUST non-stop and according to open hardware monitor my temps never went over 63C. Personally I can live with this. Thank you guys for all the help!!!

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