How to reduce CPU usage and increase GPU?

GimmTT · Apr 5, 2017

My CPU temps increase dramatically when Im browsing, and even more when Im playing videos or playing. I have a decent GPU and it remains cool, its temp not increasing much. Is it normal? Is it possible increase GPU usage in order to decrease CPU usage? Thanks.

ScreamSilence · Apr 5, 2017

No you can't trade CPU usage for GPU usage. It all depends on how the Applications are designed. Web browsers are designed for everyone and anyone they are not designed with the Gamer in mind. Therefore they do not use the GPU as much.

It is semi-possible to have video decoding be done by the GPU instead of the CPU. Although this has way to many variables, such as web browser, web player, video player, video format ETC.

Games depend highly on what engine they were created on, and how they were optimized. The only way you can lower CPU usage in games is to find the settings that use up the CPU. Usually viewing distance type settings.
Although, some games specifically those created on Valve's Source Engine are notorious for high CPU usage. Also a lot of MMOs are optimized for higher CPU usage. This is because these games are targeted at audiences with budget level PC's and even simple laptops with only an iGPU.

Anyway,
What are the temperatures you are getting?
What is the temperature of your house?
Are you on a Desktop or a Laptop?
Is your CPU overclocked. What Brand and model of CPU is it?

Either way,
Up to no more than 80 Celsius under heavy load is acceptable
depending on the CPU,CPU cooler, room temp, and overclock. Idling can range from 28Celsius up to 50 Celsius. With casual loads shooting up as high as 60 Celsius.

As long as you are not going past 80 Celsius. I wouldn't worry. Unless it's water cooled or you have a beefy aftermarket cooler.

Hamperking68 · Apr 5, 2017

No,

Unfortunately systems don't work that way.

If your temps hit anything past 70 it might be worth looking at another CPU cooler.

GimmTT · Apr 6, 2017

Thanks you both Hamperking68 and ScreamSilence so much for taking the time to answer.

What are the temperatures you are getting?
HWmonitor and speccy shows temprs ranging from 53°C when not doing anything to 80°C when running antivirus, gaming. AI Suite 3 shows from 38°C to 52°C. Is HWm and speccy more acurate?

What is the temperature of your house? It is how, like 30°C

Are you on a Desktop or a Laptop? Desktop PC.

Is your CPU overclocked. What Brand and model of CPU is it? AMD A8-5600

This computer is not overclocked, I belive I underclocked it a little (set to save energy, reduced voltage).

Sometimes when I open the browser it jumps from 52°C to 70°C (and the starts to slowly go down to 60-67°C)

If I was to buy a new cooler, can you recommend one model or brand for me to look up to?

Again, thanks so much for helping me.

ScreamSilence · Apr 6, 2017

The AMD A8-5600 is an APU yes? That means it includes an AMD Radeon HD 7560D? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113281

Temp Monitor
I do not use HWmonitor and I uninstalled AI Suite 3 cause it gives me problems on Windows 10.

I use Hwinfo64. But since it is an AMD APU I recommend AMD Overdrive http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

I've looked around on several forums and the general consensus is that the AMD Trinity's temp sensors are (supposedly) hopelessly borked and dont monitor temps very well with software. Several people have said BIOS and software that came with a motherboard actually did read out the proper temperatures.

Some have had luck with Hwinfo64 view this https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-a8-5600k-temperature-reading.194811/

Temp impressions

80C by only running an antivirus? o-o That's insane!
you said "AI Suite 3 shows from 38°C to 52°C" and your house is around "30C" so I think that is likely the accurate one.

AMD's Sugegsted Maximum operating temperature is 75°C

So what is the Maximum operating temperature (Tmax)? It's the highest temp at which a CPU or GPU can operate at full capacity. But fear not, if you're CPU or GPU reaches this temperature it will not burst into flames.
Modern processors and video cards have overheating safety measures that prevents them to damage. Usually when the maximum operating temperature is reached the CPU or GPU will underclock itself to reduce it's core temperature. This will result in massive FPS drops in video games, for a few seconds.
Reaching the maximum temperature for extended periods of times will eventual damage your processor or graphic card, so focus on finding the overheating source problem.

cooler suggestion

I use this one for my 6700K overclocked doesn't go past 71 and its a push pull cooler not too expensive either.
http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/hyper-d92/

I would not recommend standalone water coolers for example CORSAIR Hydro Series H60
These all perform worse than a good Air cooler.

try to research some air coolers for an FM2 socket CPU. Just make sure they fit in your case.

valeman2012 · Apr 6, 2017

I reduced CPU usage and Memory usage by disabling many useless Windows Services that hogs your Memory and CPU (even on IDLE)

Skipping-Bear · Apr 6, 2017

ScreamSilence :

The AMD A8-5600 is an APU yes? That means it includes an AMD Radeon HD 7560D? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113281

Temp Monitor
I do not use HWmonitor and I uninstalled AI Suite 3 cause it gives me problems on Windows 10.

I use Hwinfo64. But since it is an AMD APU I recommend AMD Overdrive http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

I've looked around on several forums and the general consensus is that the AMD Trinity's temp sensors are (supposedly) hopelessly borked and dont monitor temps very well with software. Several people have said BIOS and software that came with a motherboard actually did read out the proper temperatures.

Some have had luck with Hwinfo64 view this https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-a8-5600k-temperature-reading.194811/

Temp impressions

80C by only running an antivirus? o-o That's insane!
you said "AI Suite 3 shows from 38°C to 52°C" and your house is around "30C" so I think that is likely the accurate one.

AMD's Sugegsted Maximum operating temperature is 75°C

So what is the Maximum operating temperature (Tmax)? It's the highest temp at which a CPU or GPU can operate at full capacity. But fear not, if you're CPU or GPU reaches this temperature it will not burst into flames.
Modern processors and video cards have overheating safety measures that prevents them to damage. Usually when the maximum operating temperature is reached the CPU or GPU will underclock itself to reduce it's core temperature. This will result in massive FPS drops in video games, for a few seconds.
Reaching the maximum temperature for extended periods of times will eventual damage your processor or graphic card, so focus on finding the overheating source problem.

cooler suggestion

I use this one for my 6700K overclocked doesn't go past 71 and its a push pull cooler not too expensive either.
http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/hyper-d92/

I would not recommend standalone water coolers for example CORSAIR Hydro Series H60
These all perform worse than a good Air cooler.

try to research some air coolers for an FM2 socket CPU. Just make sure they fit in your case.

how did you install asus ai suite iii? i keep getting error with installsheild and something with the ikernal.exe in the installsheild, im pretty sure that the ai suite is blocking my flash drives from showing in windows

ScreamSilence · Apr 6, 2017

Skipping-Bear :

I simply ran the installer? I'd love to help you with your problem installing AiSuite but im pretty sure that would be considered thread hijacking. Start your own question PM me the link and I or someone else will reply eventually.

ScreamSilence · Apr 6, 2017

valeman2012 :

Yeah, it could help but not in the way he wanted. It won't increase his GPU usage.

Try a clean boot. This will disable all the startup programs etc.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/929135/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows

ScreamSilence · Apr 6, 2017

almost forgot. Since you have an APU.
Are you running this with a separate GPU or the integrated one? is the integrated GPU disabled?

GimmTT · Apr 6, 2017

Hi again. I am using a GPU, and the APU is disabled. What I find weird is that when I play a youtube video the CPU temp immediately jumps from 50ish to 68-75°C in just 2 seconds. I had the notion that the GPU would reduce CPU load when playing video or gaming.

I also have to tell you that the reported 30°C inside my house was wrong as I dont know it and tried to guess. The temps outside range from 17° to 22°. I wanted to clarify that.

Thank you for sharing the cooler model, I searched for it and it seems I can get it near where I live.

Thanks to everyone that contributed, I appreciate that.

ScreamSilence · Apr 7, 2017

GimmTT :

Clarify please?

Did you try AMD Overdrive?http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

It should report accurate temperatures, since it is from AMD.
Although it will report them backwards.
Meaning if your max temp allowed is 90 and you're at 60 it will say 30. It is showing you distance to tjmax

HWinfo64 https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php

might report accurate temperatures.
It's very very well optimized.
If it doesn't report accurate temps.
Look under the motherboard section for CPU socket temp.

Socket tempt can give you an accurate idle temp. But during Load it isn't very reliable. This should at least help you find which monitor is actually reporting realistic temps.

What I find weird is that when I play a youtube video the CPU temp immediately jumps from 50ish to 68-75°C in just 2 seconds.

Yes those are very strange temperature spikes.
Before you buy a new cooler.
Can you do the following?

Run HWinfo (sensors only or w/e) play a game youtube video w/e just make your temp spike
go to the motherboard section and screenshot it Making sure to include V.core

. example vvv

Other Notes

I am guessing you are using stock cooler?
Do you have a custom fan curve set in the bios?
No AiSuite3 doesn't count
How long ago did you do a thermal paste application? Did you use the crappy stock thermal paste?

Over 6 months+ Using arctic silver 5 or stock thermal paste I recommend repaste

Is your claimed undervolt done using the AiSuite 3 Power saving ?

I highly recommend using the bios.
Also is this an adaptive Voltage, an offset, or steady.?
Steady voltage produces way more heat. Since voltage is what creates the heat.
either way i'll find out from the v.core if you post a picture link

Regardless, I think you should buy and change the thermal paste and see what happens.

If after that you still get bad temps. Get the cooler.
You don't lose anything because you'll need the paste anyway.
But if it works you could save money.

I recommend highly innovative cooling's diamond paste.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0042IEVD8/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491539009&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=ic+diamond+7&dpPl=1&dpID=415PBiBRipL&ref=plSrch

Arctic silver 5 is second best. But it's a long way from IC diamond 7.

The difference In temps is diamond will give you 5-8C less. but the real deal breaker is the longetivity. It is 92% micronized diamond and only has 4% liquid content. This means that after being baked for years it will still look like new when you remove your heatsink.
Without liquid to evaporate less gaps form.
I used to have to repaste my old laptop CPU every 6months or so. Because it would start idling at 60 and going as high as 85. And after repaste (this was with arctic silver 5) I would idle at 40 and load at 60.
So an overdue thermal paste reapplication can be the issue.

Please follow the instruction on their site. http://www.innovationcooling.com/application.html
It is not applied like most thermal pastes because it is very thick. Do not spread it manually you can scratch the surface plate of the CPU. (Diamonds are tough cookies) also it expands a lot!

graphics card

I'm really surprised that your APU is still taking such loads. Are you absolutely certain it is iGPU disabled? If you have an AMD discrete graphics card it might be running in crossfire with the APU's GPU. (some can)

Also another thing to think about is the way you case fans are setup.

The part where it mentions the GPUs is saying:
GPUs with regular fans are better for negative air pressure. And GPUs with blower style fans can be run with both. But don't run regular fan blades using positive air pressure.

Simple way to roughly calculate it is add your exhaust fan's mm size and your intake fan's mm size if the intake is greater you have positive air pressure.
In most cases you want negative air pressure.

GimmTT · Apr 7, 2017

Did you try AMD Overdrive? When I start it my pc resets. Reinstalled it, problem persists.

HWinfo64: Report the same CPU temperature as Speccy/HWMonitor. CPU socket temps are the same reported by AI Suite 3 (AI Suite only reports one temp and by comparing I know now is that one, hence the discrepancy).

I am using the stock cooler.
Do you have a custom fan curve set in the bios? I only selected "silent" mode, changed it to turbo and temps still rise by +15-20°C sudenly (1-2 seconds).
I changed the paste 2 weeks ago for this reason. I used a crappy one.
I undervolted Using AI Suite 3. I dont know if it was steady. I believe is not because the voltage reported by Suite, HWMonitor fluctuates. ( do you need the picture from the AI Suite 3 settings or from HWiNFO/HWMonitor?)

I tried to find the iGPU in the ASUS UEFI BIOS but I couldn't. Im not sure if is crossfired. How can I see if it is?

I have only one chasis fan located in the upper back part of the chasis. Ive even used the chasis open and situation persists.

Im awaiting confirmation to send the images.

Thank you very much.

ScreamSilence · Apr 7, 2017

You would be able to see if it is cross fired in your AMD Graphics control panel or w/e
But it really depends on the graphics card you are using.
If it is an a nvidia card it cannot crossfire.

If it is an ASUS motherboard the integratedGPU might be located in BIOS under Advanced>System Agent> multimoniter igpu (disable it)
Or you could look through your mtherboard manual or tell me the model and i will look through the manual for you.

Also make sure your monitor is plugged into you graphics card instead of your motherboard

AISuite might actually be reporting the proper temps.

But since there is so many problems monitoring this type of APU. I would say get the fan get the good paste, better not to take the risk. With a good cooler you can be completely certain your CPU is cool

also I prefer to set custom fan curves. Because Silent and turbo never reach 100% fan speed.
I will screenshot my bios and show you.

Also here are some videos for the cooler i suggested it will give you and idea on how much noise it makes.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5VI3Ed-gPo"][/video]
[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4sHhJEVq0o"][/video]

LucoTF · Apr 7, 2017

Yes, the temperature sensors on those cpus are hopeless

I had an a10 once and the only program that coild read it even close to correct was an amd one, amd overdrive and measure the thermal margin

LucoTF · Apr 7, 2017

Honestly if you aren't going above 90 degrees in hwinfo64 then youre not going above 65 degrees in real terms

ScreamSilence · Apr 7, 2017

Here is my custom fan curve I said I would screen shot.

The dude LucoTF (sorry if you're not a dude lol)
He seems to know about AMD APU's from personal experience. And based off the socket temps. I think he is likely correct.

Also I really think AIsuite is reporting the proper temps for you.

GimmTT · Apr 7, 2017

valeman2012 :

Thank you, it is a good advice but I have already did that too and the heat is still too much.

GimmTT · Apr 7, 2017

ScreamSilence :

Well that will give me a little confidence to continue using it without being worried if the CPU is being damaged by the constant heat. However I did something different today: from Power Options in the Ctrl Panel, I set the maximum processor capacity at 70%, and it seems to be working so far towards the temperature with no significant reduced capacity (so far I havent played anything) and I will feel confident if I need to set the maximum processor capacity to 100% now that you shared that the right temp reading for my processor is the one from AI Suite 3.

I want to tell you that I really appreciate the kindness with you shared your knowledge with the community and specially with me. Thank you very much. Be blessed.

ScreamSilence · Apr 7, 2017

Thank you. I'm really glad I could help ease your troubled thoughts. It's really no fun playing games if you're worried about your hardware. I know the feeling very well.

I broke a fan blade on my GPU and it would rumble my whole case I was so worried it would ruin my PCI slot or the GPU >,< (i replaced it already in case you were wondering).

LucoTF · Apr 7, 2017

Yes screamsilence, i am a dude

When those apus first came out this forum was littered with 'omg my cpu is so hot' panic threads... The standard tools for measuring temps like speccy etc just weren't reading them right. Its just lol amd though, they did something similar this time around with ryzen reporting 20 degrees above actual

Amd overdrive, bios, motherboard socket temps, trust these and don't trust anything else. And please don't throttle your cpu.

LucoTF · Apr 7, 2017

Although those ai suite temps (38 to 52) sound trustworthy too

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