Yet another confused person between Kaby Lake and Ryzen, please read description

matzis

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Greetings!

I am currently building a budget computer rig for my self. It will also serve as my main computer for daily tasks, some mild Photoshop/Autocad usage and obviously gaming at 1080p.
The list goes as follows:
-Case: Corsair SPEC 01
-Ram: DDR4 Patriot Viper Elite 3200 mhz
-PSU: Seasonic S12II 620W
-Cooler: Coolermaster 212X
-SSD: Some NVMe m2 ssd, have not decided yet
-storage: 1TB Caviar Blue HDD
-GPU: MSI GTX 1060 gaming X 3GB

Now, the fun part. Because I am not able to spend 250 euros + for an i5 7600k just yet, I am planning to currently buy a cheap Pentium G4560 alongside with a MSI Z270 SLI Plus motherboard. Later on, I will buy an unlocked i5. thus the Z270 chipset.

I know that games mostly use 2-4 cores max, (also proven in Luke's video about hyper threaded and multi core gaming). So, a 4 core/ 4 thread i5 would perform just fine.
However, with new Vulcan and Direct X 12, more cores are actually utilized, so a multi core/multi thread processor would actually benefit.
Because i7 7700k goes WAY over budget for a cpu (355 euros), the only reasonable thing to consider is the new Ryzen R5 1500X, costing around 225 euro or 25 euro less than the i5 7600k.

The problem is that either way, I cannot spend that kind of cash for a ryzen r5 or 7600k right now. If I go with the 1151 socket, I will be covered with the Pentium for a while, maybe even a full year, until I can get the i5. If I go with AMD, I will probably have to wait some months until I can get it.

I am also considering long term factors, I want to keep this setup for at least a good 4-5 years and still run modern games of that time at least medium settings and average fps.
Also, the AM4 socket will probably be on the market for 4-5 years, while 1151 may change at the next generation Ice Laky CPUs.

Considering all the above, what would you do in my case?
Thanks in advance, Cheers!
 
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I have to agree with Dragos. I am in a similar situation or 'hold pattern' although I am currently on an AMD FX build. I have done a few upgrades over the last six months... SSD, RAM (only for the AM3+ board tho), new case and power supply. I am on hold with a GPU because I want to see the new AMD-Vega lineup. My current GTX770 is fine for what I do at the moment and is somewhat bottle necked by my mobo. I've had Nvidia for 12 years at least but Vega has me curious.

I am also waiting on the R5 release next week to follow reviews. So, to your question. I would wait, see how the R5 release goes, what reviews and benchmarks tell us, then proceed. You are not going to make a mistake moving forward as much as you risk spending money...

Ditt44

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I have to agree with Dragos. I am in a similar situation or 'hold pattern' although I am currently on an AMD FX build. I have done a few upgrades over the last six months... SSD, RAM (only for the AM3+ board tho), new case and power supply. I am on hold with a GPU because I want to see the new AMD-Vega lineup. My current GTX770 is fine for what I do at the moment and is somewhat bottle necked by my mobo. I've had Nvidia for 12 years at least but Vega has me curious.

I am also waiting on the R5 release next week to follow reviews. So, to your question. I would wait, see how the R5 release goes, what reviews and benchmarks tell us, then proceed. You are not going to make a mistake moving forward as much as you risk spending money on keeping an older system alive for X months/year. It sounds to me like you have a choice... Do with your Intel components what I have been doing with my AMD system and incrementally rebuild a better system over time at less immediate cost. OR make a bolder move to a new configuration and possibly switch from Intel to AMD. At higher cost upfront.

I am sticking with AMD for several reasons on the CPU side. We know that the 4-5 year window should be secure with AM4+. Buying an R5/7 now is "now". Next year that may be an R7.2 for all we know that is multiple % better. That's always the risk with tech. What's your budget?... what do you have that you can live with for a period of time going forward? Rhetorical questions. :) Can you do a rebuild now and reuse something from the Intel build to an AMD, like your RAM (likely scary atm) and/or your current GPU for a few months? Even to stay Intel... can you port the RAM and GPU you currently have? Thus saving money to get the better CPU you prefer?

Long winded. But a lot of options and I feel your pain. I think #1 you have to choose the Intel or AMD path then go from there. Wait a week or two, follow the outcomes of the R5 release. Motherboards are getting better every week. Vega is near. So, as they say... "Hurry up and wait". Then make the best financial choice based on long-term stability and upgrade path ability.
 
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matzis

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Really grateful for your answer! I have decided the following: Wait 1 week and see how the R5 rivals against i5.
Then, if R5 is significantly better, I will buy a cheap b250 motherboard with Intel G4560, and wait until R5 prices drop, and new motherboards come out. Then I will sell the Intel build, (hopefully keeping the ram), and buy an AMD combo cpu and motherboard. However, if there is no significant diffirence between i5 and r5, I will probably go with MSI Z270 Plus and G4560 at the moment, and later upgrade to i5. Who knows, maybe next gen Cannonlake i5 has 4 cores/8 threads to rival r5...We have already seen Pentium hyper threaded so maybe that will be the case.

As for GPU, I already have a 1060 MSI from a friend who has upgraded to 1080 ti, so I will stick with that for a while :)

Again, really appreciated your answer!
 

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Very cool. Just keep in mind that the 'path' may turn out to be wider and happily longer with an AMD R-series for the next few years. I think the R5 prices will hold steady for the summer but should be more than comfortably priced from $160-250. If you can do an R5 budget-wise, with a B350 board that has good options/connectivity, and use that 1060, then it should like a doable combo for a nice price. I just don't trust the Intel game and their consumer manipulation so I am biased, keep that in mind as well.

You can piece out some of those items now, as they're not Intel/AMD specific, and spread the financial pain over a few weeks/months :) I would wait on the RAM until you buy the CPU though. Just give them time to improve/add more compatibility sets. Double-check the cooler for AMD compatibility or wait on that as well until you choose your CPU.