Ryzen 1700 build compatibility (need advice)

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Already on my 6th revision of my build for multitasking and gaming at high end settings (1080p, possibly 1440p). I'm a noob when it comes to building pc's but I have a good-ish idea of the parts I need, however, I've seen many threads where x motherboard has issues with the 1700 and since it is my first build, I don't want to order $1300 worth of incompatible parts. I'm planning to oc this with the stock fan within a safe range of 3.6 to 3.8, and because the ryzen 1700 is said to benefit from fast ram, I want to make sure it works well enough with what i have. C14 is the best and C16 is good, according to a poster. I picked out a C16 set at 3200mhz and am wondering if the recent bios update for the board I'm using will allow me to run this ram (or suggest a ram set). Also, are there any alternatives that are similar in performance/reliability as the wifi card I have but lower in price? Ethernet isn't an option but my setup will be approximately 15 to 20 ft away from my nighthawk x6 (x5? The one that looks like a stealth fighter) and the walls are sort of thin so I'm looking for a cheaper good card with less focus on range but instead output/consistency. My current plan is 75mbps down and my xbox one pulls around that much on wifi (after the update which speeds this up) when it downloads, which is also in my room. I'm looking for at least half of those speeds on my pc on a less expensive wifi card (no usb adapters, just pci cards please, thanks).

 
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If you want to be gaming at high end settings then Ryzen may not be the right choice for you.
We will see what the fugure brings for optimizations but as it sits right now an i7-7xxx will beat out Ryzen in regards to gaming performance.

Why not use powerline adapters instead of wifi? An av1000 or better kit will give you well over 75mbps of bandwidth, be more consitant then wifi and most importantly have less latency which is far more important then mbps for gaming.
 
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I know that currently the best cpus are the i7's but I chose ryzen instead because I also intend to use it for multitasking and intensive video editing. If this was purely a gaming build, then yes, i7 all the way, but because it's not, I'd rather lose a few frames (playing on 60hz monitor anyway) and have a pc that won't slow down. It isn't really that much of a difference anyway.
 
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Seem's like h'es not going to overclock much because he's planning to use the stock cooler, but if you want to do any overclocking, buy an AIO or a beasty towercooler. The networkcard price is weird because in Finland it costs 79€ with 24% VAT so you should definitely choose another one because the better model is 1$ more expensive so buy that one or an cheaper model with 2 antennas and i would change the ssd to m.2 one wich is 1$ more expensive. Pretty good build for a noob because theres no bottleneck. If you want to make your build a bit more " futureproof" buy an x370 mobo because those have multigpu-support and buy a better cooler later. Personally i would buy an Msi x370 PRO GAMING CARBON because it's cheap and it has dual-m.2 and msi's good software. Personally I wouldn't worry about imcompatabilities and buy a ryzen 7, not an Kaby Lake i7.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vwcMnQ/asus-pce-ac88-none-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ac88
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bQ8Zxr/asus-wireless-network-card-pceac56
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MFs8TW/intel-600p-series-256gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpekkw256g7x1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ztp323/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h5ultimate
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4vzv6h/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd15
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CrDzK8/corsair-cpu-cooler-cw9060025ww

 
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u dont need a 1700 for gaming. thats a workstation class cpu. overclock ur 1600 to 4ghz n game like a pro. and some changes :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($217.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($108.29 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($94.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($374.00 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.39 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N150PCe PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter ($11.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1141.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-22 04:16 EDT-0400
 
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That m.2 drive is about as fast as a sata drive so it's stupid to buy one. At the moment it 1600 or 1600x might be a better choice but as vulkan and directx 12 get more popular games will be able to utilise up to 8cores and if he will never want to stream, record or edit videos, 1700 is much better choice. You wont be getting high speed with that WiFi-card because of the crappy antenna.

 
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That's true but RAM speed wont be set autotically to 3200mhz and you can set it to 2666 etc until bios and microcode updates solve sthat problem.
 
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both mx300 costs the same. with driver updates, the m.2 will become faster. as for 8 cores, really? 8 core usage for gaming? games still prioritize clock speed over no. of cores. dx12 may utilize more cores, but that doesnt mean clock speed would take a back seat. the 1600 has less CCX latency and performs well when overclocked.

regarding to 1600 vs 1600X, the limit of 1600X is 4.1 ghz n 1600 goes upto 4.05. and that too with the stock cooler[wraith spire is a beefier one]. so with the 1600X n a cooler, u r looking almost @ the price point of 1700. makes sense now?

y do u need a powerful costly wifi card when ur source is 15-20 ft away? thats like next room n even smart phones can do well in that distance.


regarding ram speed, the new bios revision released recently fixed it. no more crashes @ 3000mhz ;)
 
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It's true that clockspeed is more important in games than corecount, but difference in clockspeed between 1600 and 1700 doesn't really matter and if he's gonna do any streaming or recording, 1700 will crush 1600/1600X. And btw, vulkan can utilize 8 cores, and future APIs will do that even better.

https://youtu.be/r0fgEVEgK_k?t=4m4s
 
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1700+rx580 will be much better for streaming/recording/workstation use and more futureproof, but purely for gaming and web browsing and nothing else, I would recommend 1600+1070.

 
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Alright guys so almost a month later and I've come up with this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($316.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card ($479.89 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC55BT PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($35.00)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($14.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($14.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Pixio PX277 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($389.99)
Total: $1804.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-26 22:59 EDT-0400

Now as for the ram, I'm thinking I'll stick with 2400mhz just to be safe. I've seen benchmarks but imo they aren't worth the trouble. I could go for an aftermarket gpu but I guess it depends on the price at this point really; whichever is the lowest is what I'll get by the time I'm ready. Found a new wifi card similar to the intel one with good reviews (edit: nvm it's out of stock everywhere and the only person selling it has it priced at around $68 so i'll need to find one for the previous price). The monitor is what I'm currently researching up on. idk if it's appropriate to post this here (I'll probably post tomorrow somewhere) but basically I need a 1440p 27" 60hz ips monitor for under $390 aka the price of the pixio since it has some qc issues.

I plan on ocing the cpu to a solid 3.8ghz with the stock cooler and added 2 fans (total of 4) to help with airflow. This is basically a well-rounded build in the sense that it should be able to do everything at a good enough level (gaming/streaming/editing/opening a million tabs).
 
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It seems the monitor is priced at 479.99 on the site currently which is way over my budget. Don't know if it hasn't updated yet or if something else is up. The psu is nice but I'm probably better off with the g2 since it's almost universally praised around the internet and I'm also not sure how much headroom I need so I went with 650w to be safe. I'll be connecting 2 or 3 usb devices so those might add to the wattage and if I get an aftermarket gpu it'll most likely be oced at stock speeds though the only thing I'm ocing is the cpu.
 
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wow awesome, nice find!
 
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