AMD RYZEN 1600X vs Intel Core i5 7600k

HOonix · Apr 12, 2017

Hey there!

I'm going to build a PC soon and wanted to know which processor is the best.
AMD just released the RYZEN 5 SKUs yesterday and the benchmarks seem rather interesting.
I'm using this PC for gaming.

Thanks.

RCFProd · Apr 12, 2017

For gaming purely? i5-7600k.

You'll get decent performance and save costs with AMD's RYZEN 5 1500X or 1600 though. With the 1600 you don't need to buy a CPU cooler, the one included is decent.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.88 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar X370GT5 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($123.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $440.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 05:40 EDT-0400

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.79 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270-Gaming K3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Jet)
Memory: Patriot Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $497.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 05:38 EDT-0400

Gon Freecss · Apr 12, 2017

RCFProd :

No, he won't, in pretty much most cases at the least, unless he's getting at least a GTX 1080. Then again, most who get GTX 1080s get i7s as well. :/

RCFProd · Apr 12, 2017

Gon Freecss :

What won't he? Intel Kaby Lake is a bit ahead in gaming performance, but RYZEN 5 is definitely still decent in most games.

HOonix · Apr 12, 2017

RCFProd :

Gon Freecss :

What won't he? Intel Kaby Lake is a bit ahead in gaming performance, but RYZEN 5 is definitely still decent in most games.

I will be using this PC for gaming,editing and live streaming.

RCFProd · Apr 12, 2017

^ Definitely go with the RYZEN 5 1600 then. It is the best value of RYZEN 5's line-up, and for that purpose it beats the Intel i5-7600k in all aspects.

HOonix · Apr 12, 2017

RCFProd :

Thanks! I'm going to order mine today but I'm confused.
1600 or the 1600X?

Lucky_SLS · Apr 12, 2017

for now the 7600k offers the best gaming performance, but the 1600X is about 90% of 7600k in most games. with ryzen optimised patches, it may be better than the 7600k. future games n dx12, vulkan will exploit the multi core cpu horsepower n may give better performance in future games.

RCFProd · Apr 12, 2017

HOonix :

RYZEN 5 1600 Non-X is best value, not 1600X.

With the 1600X you're spending 250 dollars + 30 dollars or more on the CPU cooler. The 1600 performs and overclocks similarly, costs 218 dollars and has a good CPU cooler included.

Gon Freecss · Apr 12, 2017

RCFProd :

Err, I thought you said he'll get more performance with the Kaby Lake i5.

There's still a problem in the Zen architecture that prevents it from reaching its full potential. That, or the low clock-speeds. I'd say a little bit of both. When it gets fixed, it'll only be 6% behind Skylake/Kaby Lake clock-for-clock (+ core-for-core). In games that make use of more than 4 cores, it'll beat the mainstream Intel processors.

Ryzen 5 1600X is potentially as good as the 5930K or the 5820K.

TheNastyNarwhal · Apr 19, 2017

RCFProd :

For gaming purely? i5-7600k.

You'll get decent performance and save costs with AMD's RYZEN 5 1500X or 1600 though. With the 1600 you don't need to buy a CPU cooler, the one included is decent.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.88 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar X370GT5 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($123.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $440.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 05:40 EDT-0400

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.79 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270-Gaming K3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Jet)
Memory: Patriot Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $497.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 05:38 EDT-0400

Does the i5 support DDR4-2600? I thought it only supported DDR4-2133/2400 and DDR3L-1333/1600.

Lucky_SLS · Apr 20, 2017

thats a z270 mobo, it can support upto 3200 mhz

goldstone77 · Apr 23, 2017

"Considering what Intel charges for its Core i5-7600K, we'd certainly like Ryzen 5 1600X a lot more for gaming if it debuted at a lower price. Much of the Ryzen tapestry is woven using value as its thread. But it's hard to keep that story together when Ryzen 5 1600X sells for $249 and Core i5-7600K goes for $240. With that said, professionals on a budget are far more likely to jump on a potent six-core chip like the 1600X when it's able to beat the $450 Core i7-6800K."
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-review,review-33858-11.html?_ga=1.100362014.1447811569.1490454177
last paragraph
1600 comes with a cooler capable of the overclocking to 4GHz unlike the 1600x, which does not come with a cooler.
Problem solved overclock the Ryzen 5 1600 to 4GHz@$219 price point!
ASRock X370 Taichi@~$200 has had consistently good results with CPU overclock, and single rank memory compatibility@3200MHz. Also, good performance enhancements from motherboard updates. It's also, a little hard to find!
G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200@$186 Seems to be the goto choice of a lot of popular YouTube bench testers.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530
G.SKILL 16GB (2 x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz@$127
https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-PC4-25600-3200MHz-F4-3200C16D-16GVKB/dp/B015FXXBW0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=legirevi03-20&linkId=d6043fdad09d0b5ee2aaa5cbf1078df7
Here is a review for RAM usable on Ryzen.
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259/6
Update 03-14-2017: AMD said that they have internally observed good results from 2933, 3200, and 3500 MT/s rates with 16GB kits based on Samsung “B-die” memory chips. Potential kits include:
Geil EVO X – GEX416GB3200C16DC [16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v]
G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series- F4-3200C16D-16GTZR [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v] ($189.99 shipped)
Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 VERSION 5.39 [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v] ($129.99 shipped)

HOonix · Apr 23, 2017

goldstone77 :

"Considering what Intel charges for its Core i5-7600K, we'd certainly like Ryzen 5 1600X a lot more for gaming if it debuted at a lower price. Much of the Ryzen tapestry is woven using value as its thread. But it's hard to keep that story together when Ryzen 5 1600X sells for $249 and Core i5-7600K goes for $240. With that said, professionals on a budget are far more likely to jump on a potent six-core chip like the 1600X when it's able to beat the $450 Core i7-6800K."
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-review,review-33858-11.html?_ga=1.100362014.1447811569.1490454177
last paragraph
1600 comes with a cooler capable of the overclocking to 4GHz unlike the 1600x, which does not come with a cooler.
Problem solved overclock the Ryzen 5 1600 to 4GHz@$219 price point!
ASRock X370 Taichi@~$200 has had consistently good results with CPU overclock, and single rank memory compatibility@3200MHz. Also, good performance enhancements from motherboard updates. It's also, a little hard to find!
G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200@$186 Seems to be the goto choice of a lot of popular YouTube bench testers.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530
G.SKILL 16GB (2 x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz@$127
https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-PC4-25600-3200MHz-F4-3200C16D-16GVKB/dp/B015FXXBW0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=legirevi03-20&linkId=d6043fdad09d0b5ee2aaa5cbf1078df7
Here is a review for RAM usable on Ryzen.
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259/6
Update 03-14-2017: AMD said that they have internally observed good results from 2933, 3200, and 3500 MT/s rates with 16GB kits based on Samsung “B-die” memory chips. Potential kits include:
Geil EVO X – GEX416GB3200C16DC [16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v]
G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series- F4-3200C16D-16GTZR [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v] ($189.99 shipped)
Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 VERSION 5.39 [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v] ($129.99 shipped)

I ended up getting the Ryzen 7 1700 for productivity and gaming/streaming.

goldstone77 · Apr 23, 2017

HOonix :

goldstone77 :

"Considering what Intel charges for its Core i5-7600K, we'd certainly like Ryzen 5 1600X a lot more for gaming if it debuted at a lower price. Much of the Ryzen tapestry is woven using value as its thread. But it's hard to keep that story together when Ryzen 5 1600X sells for $249 and Core i5-7600K goes for $240. With that said, professionals on a budget are far more likely to jump on a potent six-core chip like the 1600X when it's able to beat the $450 Core i7-6800K."
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-review,review-33858-11.html?_ga=1.100362014.1447811569.1490454177
last paragraph
1600 comes with a cooler capable of the overclocking to 4GHz unlike the 1600x, which does not come with a cooler.
Problem solved overclock the Ryzen 5 1600 to 4GHz@$219 price point!
ASRock X370 Taichi@~$200 has had consistently good results with CPU overclock, and single rank memory compatibility@3200MHz. Also, good performance enhancements from motherboard updates. It's also, a little hard to find!
G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200@$186 Seems to be the goto choice of a lot of popular YouTube bench testers.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530
G.SKILL 16GB (2 x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz@$127
https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-PC4-25600-3200MHz-F4-3200C16D-16GVKB/dp/B015FXXBW0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=legirevi03-20&linkId=d6043fdad09d0b5ee2aaa5cbf1078df7
Here is a review for RAM usable on Ryzen.
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259/6
Update 03-14-2017: AMD said that they have internally observed good results from 2933, 3200, and 3500 MT/s rates with 16GB kits based on Samsung “B-die” memory chips. Potential kits include:
Geil EVO X – GEX416GB3200C16DC [16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v]
G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series- F4-3200C16D-16GTZR [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v] ($189.99 shipped)
Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 VERSION 5.39 [16-18-18-36 @ 1.35v] ($129.99 shipped)

I ended up getting the Ryzen 7 1700 for productivity and gaming/streaming.

The 1700 can also overclock to 3.9GHz and you have essentially an 1800x!

HOonix · Apr 23, 2017

goldstone77 :

HOonix :

goldstone77 :

I ended up getting the Ryzen 7 1700 for productivity and gaming/streaming.

The 1700 can also overclock to 3.9GHz and you have essentially an 1800x!

How much can I overclock with the stock cooler?

goldstone77 · Apr 23, 2017

I can't remember exactly. I would try adding 100MHz at a time till you hit about 80C since 90C is cut off.

HOonix · Apr 23, 2017

goldstone77 :

I will try that for sure but I have seen many people getting stable performance with 3.9ghz oc with the stock cooler.

RCFProd · Apr 23, 2017

goldstone77 :

It shouldn't be anywhere near those temps.

Lucky_SLS · Apr 23, 2017

^ yup. thats not a gpu. for cpu, 60s is the max limit zone. try to keep it in the high 50s

goldstone77 · Apr 23, 2017

Time 4:33 references temps overclocking and the 1600. 95C is thermal cut off. If you get too hot you will experience thermal throttling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNjkDoYZYjU

RCFProd · Apr 23, 2017

still way too hot. you shouldnt strive for maximum temperatures.

goldstone77 · Apr 23, 2017

I agree, it's not striving for maximum temps rather maximum overclock. Get a $29 Evo 212 and this problem is eliminated. I myself have a 2500k@4.5GHz which sometimes gets into the low 80's on a Evo 212. I've been running this overclock for 7 years with no ill effects. I don't think he is danger of maxing the thermal thresh hold of all 8 cores even running the stock cooler while gaming, or doing most things. The video tends to agree with this after looking at those extremely high overclocks hitting 88-89C.

care__ · Aug 6, 2017

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