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Hello, those that are more computer-savvy than I! As games are advancing, my current rig is feeling more and more dated--mostly because of the old AMD FX 4300 quad core CPU. It's severely holding back what my GPU(GTX 1060) would otherwise be capable of, and giving me FPS drops downwards of 1-10 FPS in games when a lot is going on, even though I'm sure my GPU could handle them easily otherwise. Sadly, my motherboard only supports AMD, and I believe I could only give it a small upgrade; the newer CPUs, AMD or otherwise, aren't compatible with it. Or so I've been told. I don't know how to check what type of motherboard I have, but if anyone knows, feel free to tell me and I'll post it up here.

Anyway, I already have some ideas in mind. I plan to take the GPU(GTX 1060) and my PSU(700W) from my current computer and use them in the new one. I may or may not take the 500 GB SSD out of this one for the new computer as well, since it still has a 1TB HDD. I'll probably take the older GPU/PSU from my previous computer and put 'em in this one so it still functions, just not as a gaming computer. For the new one, however, everything besides the GPU, PSU, and maybe SSD will have to be new.

Which means a new motherboard, CPU, RAM, disk drive and the like. I know far less about these parts than the other ones. Oh, and a new case.

I figured for the CPU I'd pick up an Intel i7-7700. I've never overclocked before, so the regular version I figure will be fine. I'm not entirely sure what kind of motherboard to get for this, though. I know basically nothing about this piece of hardware. Do I need to get DDR4 for this CPU? Or would a DDR3 Mobo be compatible? If so, I could use the RAM from my current computer. However, it's not a big deal for me to get DDR4 Ram if it would be better to get a DDR4 Mobo, too. Further, however, I have no idea what brand to get. Every one I've looked at on Amazon has had a handful of reviews claiming the product was broken or broke within a month of purchase, so I'm hesitant and unsure which would be best to buy. I just need something that's compatible with the i7 and my GTX 1060--unless anyone has any alternative recommendations, such as the new Ryzen products. I'm not sure how well they compare. From a brand that can be trusted to deliver good, lasting products.

I know the Ram needs to be either DDR3 or DDR4 depending on which type the motherboard is, but I could use some recommendations for disk drives, too. Feel free to recommend cases as well--I'm not too picky about size, so long as it properly fits all of my hardware(I tried to get a larger version of the GTX 1060 and had to return it because it was too large for my current case--the SATA cables didn't allow it to fit in the slot.) Since I don't think I'll be overclocking, I probably won't need an extra cooling device, but if there's something good and cheap out there I might pick it up.

I don't really have a set budget. But I'm not looking to build a supercomputer, so I'm not looking for any parts that are significantly more than $300. However, I'm looking to take advantage of sales here, rather than buy things all at once. So more expensive products that might go on sale for around or under $300 work, too. I'm not in a rush, so I want to keep an eye on whatever products you guys can suggest and snatch them up when they're on sale.

TL;DR: Wanting to build a new gaming computer. GPU(GTX 1060) and PSU(700W) are already taken care of, but I'm not sure what to get for most of the other parts. No strict budget since I'll be buying the parts over time, but products shouldn't be significantly higher than $300. More expensive products on sale for around or under that amount, however, are acceptable.

Sorry if that ran a bit long, but thank you all in advance!
 
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^ just go for the ryzen 1600. both intel and ryzen can get u above 90fps. the fps difference is 15% max in intel optimized games. less so in others.
so a 1600/b350 mobo with stock wraith cooler.
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i think u can use ur old case along with the gpu n psu since the mobo is micro atx.
upgrade to another 8 gig ram stick down the line if u feel like it.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($248.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir Pro 4 66.7 CFM CPU Cooler ($38.00 @ Jet)
Motherboard: MSI B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($79.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($89.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $511.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-14 02:38 EDT-0400
 
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Not planning to use my old case since I wanna keep it as a second functional computer. However, I did use that list as a basis for the parts I found on Amazon, Lucky. Though it also raised some questions. What exactly does the "X" stand for on the CPUs? I see the ghz is higher, but is that because they've overclocked by default, or is that their base speed? It seems odd, to me, since 1700X has a lower ghz than 1600X. Are they really worth the extra money, considering they don't come with a cooler like their "non-X" counterparts do? I was thinking of getting the base 1600 since it's cheaper and comes with a cooler. Maybe the 1700. Because I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between them and their "X" counterparts.

Anyway, I found all the parts on Amazon, so I'll throw 'em up here. Lemme know what you guys think--I need to be sure they're all compatible with each other.

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
Or maybe Ryzen 7 1700
(Both come with a cooler)
GPU: Geforce GTX 1060 6GB (Already owned)
PSU: 700W (Already owned)
Motherboard: MSI B350M
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Memory Kit for DDR4 Systems 2400 MT/s (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15B)
Storage: WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 64MB Cache
And
Crucial 500 GB SSD (Already owned)
Case: NZXT S340 Mid Tower Computer Case

This all comes out to about $530. I could potentially drop the $50 HDD to put it at $480--though it'll all be about another hundred if I go with the 1700, and about the same if I went with 1600X and a cooler.

But I need to ask. Are all these parts compatible with each other? Nothing will clash or function improperly--or worse, not at all--because of another part, right?
 
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The 'X-rated' 1600X/1700X/1800X also features "XFR" or Extended Frequency Range, which is basically a beefier version of Turbo that lets the CPU overclock itself a little harder when attributes such as power, current and thermals are within acceptable ranges. XFR is enabled by default on 'X' model Ryzen CPUs, though it's disabled when manually overclocking.

Theres a lot for you to comprehend here. As of now, most games do not use more than 4 cores or so, as they do not scale well beyond that. It might take another 3 to 4 yrs for games to scale well to more than 4 cores, 6 cores maybe. If you are in purely for gaming, 7700k is still the best chip, with higher clock speeds and IPC. For the next 3 to 4 yrs ryzen wont beat kabylake on pure gaming, and you can be satisfied about that. But if you are into multitasking and have 32 other windows or tasks open along with the games, or maybe streaming/recording those games at the same time, that is when a ryzen shines with more cores.

1700 is lower in clock speed because it gives you two additional cores and is more workstation centric than gaming centric. Right now, for gaming first, the 1600x seems to the perfect chip as it not only has a higher clockspeed, but also has the X factor as well as all 16mb of cache been binned lower from the 7 lot.

After comprehending all that, if you are still going Ryzen, then this should be my dig...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($248.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $540.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-17 04:33 EDT-0400

 
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since u use a fx 4300, i am guessing u know how to overclock. in that case, the ryzen 1600x with a proper cooler like the mugen 5 in push pull config can equal a stock kaby if overlocked.

there is also the fact that since its a 6 core CCX latency in infinity fabric[basically latency] is gonna be low in 1600X.
1600X is still easily potent as the 7700k in multitasking.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($248.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 51.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($51.85 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case Fan: Scythe Slipstream 110.3 CFM 120mm Fan ($6.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $546.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-17 05:11 EDT-0400

u could also consider the 1600 if u r manually overclocking.
http://www.techspot.com/article/1381-ryzen-1600x-vs-1600/
 
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I've never overclocked, but did plan to manually overclock with the 1600, since it seems like it'd be a better deal than the 1600X that way. It's also about a hundred dollars cheaper than the 7700K--another 30-50 dollars if you include the free cooler. I went ahead and switched to this mhz 3200 Ram but I've realized that a lot of motherboards don't seem to support that much mhz on memory. I know the Ram would still work, but that it won't utilize the extra mhz. Are there any motherboards that can utilize all 3200 mhz? The motherboard I have listed in my original parts list supposedly supports 3200, but it doesn't seem like either of the other two do.

Also, I realized I completely neglected to include the OS. I know I need Windows 10 for the new hardware, but.. everywhere I've looked for it seems really sketchy. Lots of one star reviews, people claiming they got a bad key or that it conflicted with BIOS or whatever else. Is there a more reliable way that I can get Windows 10, or will I be forced to rely on a really sketchy product and hope that it works out?
 
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Ah, yeah, you're right--I was looking at what was listed on Amazon, since that's where I prefer to buy my products, and it wasn't showing the 3200.

I did just download W10 with that onto a flash drive, so hopefully that works.

The R7 1700 actually just became available with Amazon as a seller, however. I highly prefer to buy from Amazon over all other companies because of their customer service. Would the 1700 be a significant boost over the 1600? Or would I not notice much, since few games currently utilize all their cores/threads?
 
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I don't think a dual-fan cooler would fit in the case I have in mind. It's also twice as expensive, and I don't really plan on overclocking hard enough to warrant spending that much on a cooler. How far do you think I could overclock the 1600X with the H60 and the cyrorig, respectively? And for that matter, how far could I overclock the 1600 with the wraithspire? Keeping everything at safe levels, of course. Not running hot or at excessive voltage.
 
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The wraith spire is pretty apt at its job as far as i have heard. It does let you overclock quite a bit. For extreme overclcoking a better unit is recommended. If you are not overclcoking too much, then even a h60 should be enough. The cryorig h7 is also a good alternative for moderate overclocking. It should fit the case as well.
 
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Hrm. Actually, having looked over this article some more, the 1600X only seems to be about 10% better at most than it's 1600 counterpart when it comes to overclocking. Not worth spending an extra 60-80 dollars on. So, i think my final rig is this:


CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
GPU: Geforce GTX 1060 6GB (Already owned)
PSU: 700W (Already owned)
Motherboard: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK Gaming Amd Ryzen B350 Ddr4 Vr Ready Hdmi Usb 3 Atx Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16)
Storage: Crucial 500 GB SSD (Already owned)
Case: NZXT S340 Mid Tower Computer Case

Comes out to about $551. Probably around ~80-100 more if/once I buy the full version of Win 10. The only downside I can see is that the 1600 only seems to utilize about 2933 of the 3200 mhz on the Ram, as opposed the X which can use it all. But downgrading to a 3000 mhz to compensate would only save me a few bucks, and the 1600 might get updates to utilize all 3200 later, I figure.
 
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"However, we didn't actually have a plain 1600 on-hand at the time, we just assumed based on what we saw with the Ryzen 7 chips that the 1600 would overclock as well, or at least nearly as well as the 1600X."

Assumption is not really a fair indication of performance. However, if you have made up your mind, then its fair enough.
 
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That.. was said really early on in the video. That was only for their release day coverage--they picked up a plain 1600 later on. If you scroll down near the bottom before the comments, they have benchmarks on the difference between several CPUs, including the 1600 and 1600X. The X only has very small improvements over the 1600.
 
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Hrm. I'm terribly indecisive when it comes to spending a lot of money like this. But you said the Intel 7700K was the best option when it comes to pure gaming, right? Since I don't really stream or anything. Would that processor and this motherboard be a good fit? I saw some more expensive ones, but if I were to spend another hundred on the 7700K, I'd rather not spend another hundred on a motherboard, especially since I'd need to get myself a cooler, too. But I assume the 7700K wouldn't be compatible with the B350 Tomahawk. And if I were to go with the 7700K instead, would the coolers above still be sufficient? I was looking at this one if not. But I have no idea if they'd all be compatible. It'd really suck if I bought all this only for something not to fit right in the final build.
 
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